This episode is an interview with Dr. William Davis titled “Meat Wheat is Murder” and is being released on Sunday, Dec. 11, 2011. My interview with William was recorded on Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011.
William Davis, MD, is a preventive cardiologist whose unique approach to diet allows him to advocate reversal, not just prevention, of heart disease. He is the founder of the Track Your Plaque program. He lives in Wisconsin. Nothing here should be construed as medical advice, but only topics for further discussion with your doctor. He practices cardiology in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. For more information, go to:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com, www.trackyourplaque.com or
http://www.wheatbellybook.com
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What i find very strange is Raw Milk sales are illegal in Wisconsin !?
http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/raw_milk_map.htm
Wheat should be illegal ! Thanks 4 Sharing !
The FDA is doing gun raids on stores and farms all over the country that sell raw milk. It’s absolutely crazy!
While I recommend eating as much raw food as possible, I’m not a big fan of dairy in any form. Another food we’re just not designed to consume.
I disagree. I think you’ll find that my interviews with Sally Fallon and Dr. Peter Glidden cover this topic well. You’ll also want to see Sally’s documentary The Oiling of America.
I completely disagree about milk, although I don’t drink it myself in an uncultured form except for cream in my coffee in the morning – and NOVER pasteurized or homogenized.
Funny thing is that people who “think” they are lactose intolerant most of their lives can almost always tolerate raw milk just fine. Studies are strongly suggesting that it’s actually the the dead pro-biotics, which are killed as part of the pasteurization process, that are irritating the lining of the digestive system. Kind of the same way that a lot of folks are allergic to the dander, or dead skin cells, of cats.
You may not think we were designed to consume it, but I doubt we would be the humans we are without it. Too many cultures throughout our evolution have depended heavily on it for survival.
It’s about the casein – one of the 4 MAJOR food allergens: dairy, wheat, corn, soy. I got off those (particularly dairy) 4 years ago, and the difference has been phenomenal. I still enjoy some goat dairy, which is very low in casein. For more info: http://www.dogtorj.com
when i was a child up until a year ago i had severe allergic reactions to the milk “they” sell in super markets & convenient stores that comes from sadistic factory “farms” !
i researched Raw Milk via Grass Fed Cows living on small holistic farms & traveled up North to meet some Amish Families & found that they have a very symbiotic relationship with there animals & almost completely live off grid.
i purchased 4 herdshares which gets us 4gallons of fresh raw cows milk a week & have been in excellent health since !
http://www.drrons.com/untold-story-of-milk.htm
some other good links are …..
http://eatwild.com/
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/
http://www.tendergrassfedmeat.com/2011/05/17/grassfed-bone-broth%E2%80%94the-traditional-mineral-supplement/
enjoy !
Arguing that raw milk is somehow better than processed milk misses the point entirely.
Humans are the only mammals known to routinely drink milk from a different animal entirely. In nature, the purpose of drinking milk is for immunities and nutrients which cannot be absorbed in any other way to pass from mother to baby.
How does it make sense to drink milk from your mother as a baby, only to continue drinking milk from a cow as a child and into adulthood? It makes more sense to just keep sucking off your mom’s titty than it does to assume that you should make the transition to cows milk.
It seems to me that there are plenty of other sources of calcium and protein that do not involve drinking milk. Namely, eating beef.
Paul, there’s a huge difference, and humans have consumed other animals’ dairy forever. Look at all of the old nomadic cultures and they all use it as far back as we can know. Pasteurization is a new thing. We know the old arguments, but they don’t stack up when going through the data. Guys like Campbell in his disproved China Study, and John Robins, and others who’ve been disproved sell those theories, but they’re untrue. Listen to this interview as well as my interviews with Sally Fallon. See also her Oiling of America documentary. Humans get food from all sorts of sources, saying that because milk is typically used with a baby is an appeal to tradition fallacy. Cheese, milk, Kifer, yogurt, have been around for many thousands of years, are a staple of the diet, and there is no sign of heart disease or obesity from them. You don’t see fat Europeans everywhere. They consume huge amounts of dairy. However, processed oils, new fangled wheat, etc, are things our bodies can’t handle.
Actually Jan, What occurs in nature is not a logical fallacy. It is merely an observable fact in nature that milk is used to feed baby mammals, and only humans routinely drink milk from a different species. What logically follows from that fact is that drinking cows milk is unnecessary to a healthy human diet. That is the point I was trying to make. People are raised to think that milk and dairy are a necessary part of the diet, when they are not.
Most people in Japan and Asia do not typically drink milk, yet they seem to be doing just fine.
Actually, Paul, it is a fallacy. Just because you observe that animals typically drink milk as babies, does not equal that humans shouldn’t eat milk and dairy products. One does not equal the other. First off, animals don’t have thumbs and can’t milk other animals. So you have to ask then do they if they can get milk when it’s otherwise available, and yes they do.
HUMANS have used milk and dairy products since the dawn of time, in nearly all cultures. Japan being an exception – they’re on an island and didn’t have cows. But Campbell in the China Study, which is totally disproved, had to omit areas in China that survive almost entirely off of dairy and meat because they didn’t fit in his study. Oops.
I get that there’s a religion out there against meat and dairy, typically an urban phenomenon where people are removed from the cycle of life and death in their diet. I get that, I bought that religion for years. These people get food from packages, rather than nature, and they develop these theories that aren’t substantiated. It’s sold in books like The China Study, Diet For a New America, etc, but these books have been disproved.
You sent me a link to one doctor’s opinion, not peer reviewed, cited, or well backed, and cites Bovine spongaform encephalopathy as being related to the dairy, not the fact that the cows then were fed other cows, now illegal. But this is not a practice that was ever done on small farms. It was the factory farms, etc.
http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html
It cites the AIDS virus – see my interview with Dr. Peter Duesberg entirely refuting that.
This guy cites a lot of wild shit with hypothetical observations – likely because he’s got an agenda, and not basing what he writes in fact, but uses a bunch of scare tactics.
I can prove to you that cutting wheat will make these immediate changes that this guy is associating to wheat. But furthermore, if you read the website I’ve already cited here several times, http://www.rawfoodsos.com – the numbers regarding dairy causing cancer and the like is well disproved. You’ll have to do better than that.
We prefer our milk raw. A couple years ago the Wisconsin Legislature voted to legalize raw milk only to have the bill vetoed by then Governor Doyle.
WOW WOW WOW! What a wealth of information to further the pursuit of a truly healthy body. Adding this information to the knowledge I have obtained from the interviews of Sally Fallon of the Weston A. Price Foundation, along with Dr. Glidden and Dr. Wallach, it seems there is no limit to how much each of us can do to restore real health. Now that I have restored my physical health so much it makes critical thinking and continuing to learn and apply the Trivium and Quadrivium and the many other deep topics discussed here on gnostic media much easier to comprehend. Who knows where getting wheat out too will lead.
Thanks Jan for this series on health. It is much appreciated.
Thanks Kim. And as you’re a medical professional, I always appreciate your feedback on these types of interviews.
And speaking of health, let’s not forget Daniella Martin’s interview. When are we going to get together and eat wax worm tacos!?
The fact that you are arguing this (JAN & PAUL) proves the ego of both of you. Do what you feel is best for you and die as you wish!
No, what it proves, Violet, is that we were working on discovering the truth. Rather than your fallacy of doing what ever you wish, drink the hemlock, it’s of no import!, we’d rather use the facts of reality and base decisions on such. This isn’t the positive thinking, use what ever fallacies I wish to derive what I like forum. That’s over there >>>
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so very true, thanks for this interview! since i’ve cut out ALL WHEAT my health has improved, many times i’ve ended up in ER with heart trouble even mini stroke …also the pain in knees and hip has gone…it may be ok for some people, but in my life is certainly was and is POISON..i’m allergic to it all, although my doctor and cardiologist do not agree. Who’s body is it?? So i suggest we all listen carefully to our bodies and see how we feel after consuming wheat etc., gluten free foods have the same effect on me..do not follow blindly what is offered in shops as healthy bread etc., find out for yourself…
Your doctors disagree because they are scared of losing money
Incredible. I’ve been taking Wallach’s products since March and for the first time in my life have made it through the year without getting sick. It hasn’t been a full year yet, but I usually get 3-4 colds, usually with the changing of the seasons. Not this year. In addition after listening to Dr. Wallach tell every patient who calls in (on his radio show) to stop eating gluten I’ve eliminated it for the past week (1 week) and I’ve already lost 5 pounds and have more energy and clarity of thought. Now hearing Dr. Williams’ information I feel even better about these decisions. Thanks for these great interviews Jan. Healthier minds and bodies can only aid in the battle against the “true believers,” “the justified sinners,” aka – “The New World Order.” Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jan. Great interview.
Another health trip could be iodine.
Our body needs it unfortunately it’s been usurped by fluoride and bromine.
Guess where bromine is added? FLOUR!
Thanks, Jan.
Nicole I had no idea they were adding bromine to flour, thanks for the heads up on that. I’ll keep a look out, though, I have already migrated from gluten to non gluten flours.
William did a really great job explaining what others make a very complicated affair, Of course in reality diet is an extremely complicated science with all of the variables of different individuals added to the question. However I feel Dr Davis provided a ‘way’ to think or perhaps an approach to your own specific dietary choices that was simple – I really enjoyed the talk.
Thanks to both of you
Dan
The info was mind blowing. The last few shows on nutrition are very interesting to me.
I think I am at the loathing and detesting stage with government.
I would love to hear a show on the topic of ‘foods we still can eat’
Now back to my lard and egg sandwich (with out the bread) of course.
Thanks for this. The recent episodes on health are very mind opening, but I’m having some trouble getting around this one. So basically “Wheat is poison”? You’re saying that the traditional base for european diet is poison. I just don’t understand this. Isn’t there maybe a piece of the puzzle still missing to explain the Dr Davis’s positive results? I’m thinking maybe the importance of raw milk and cheeze in the diet or the type of wheat developped in modern times. I mean there wouldn’t be europeans(for example) walking around today without bread. Can somebody explain?
Thanks (from France)
This was explained in the interview how wheat was altered, and how France uses a different type of wheat.
aah “French wheat”
I’m really appreciating all information on food and nutrition you’ve done recently, Jan. The Peter Glidden interviews are gold. I’ve had health problems most of my life that M.D’s were useless in treating and diagnosing. I’ve been paying more attention to diet and nutrition the past number of years, and I’ve been alive like I haven’t been since I was a kid. I didn’t know what was up, I just slowly went from top of the heap in terms of quickness, sharpness and intelligence, to being slow, confused and just incapable of thinking properly on any level. I fell apart in many way, but the mental aspect really got to me. I thought I was just becoming more and more unintelligent (I was); and, that, coupled with my degrading state of physical health, I was sure I was dying, and had some terminal illness that couldn’t be diagnosed.
After focusing on my diet, and incorporating a plethora a supplements into my daily routine – as well as quitting smoking cigarettes – I ALMOST IMMEDIATELY started to come back together, and my cognitive abilities increased beyond believe, and within a couple of weeks I was speaking like I hadn’t had the ability to do in years, thinking clearly – both visually and audibly – and feeling, emotionally, like I hadn’t in a long time. I was reborn. It is ridiculous how much one eats effects how one feels, and has the ability to act. You are what you eat, I guess. And, when you metabolise a load of you shit – devoid of any good – you become just that.
Diet is a science. And, probably the most important one for each human being to need to understand.
Many people “wake up” in relation to healing themselves.
People claim to do good on raw milk but my experience is exactly as Dr Davis was saying,yeah raw milk is WAY better than whats in the store but that doesn’t necessarily make it good.If you have or had moderate to serious problems with store milk then it’s probably not the greatest idea to simply switch to raw IMO still loaded with estrogen and IGF1.
Hey Jan check out some of the vids from the Ancestral Health Symposium
“Dairy, Hormones, and Human Health” by Pedro Bastos, MA, MS
http://vimeo.com/27671369
how I cured ulcerative colitis
http://youtu.be/XNctvNRMq1Y
http://robbwolf.com/
Very interesting interview, Jan. Thanks to yourself and Dr. Davis. I’m just off wheat for 1 day now but already notice a difference. I feel better in the head, lighter, less hungry. Quite surprised at the immediate change. I used to eat “healthy” whole grain bread for breakfast and supper and I would feel bad after breakfast and also during the night. The first day was a bit strange not to eat bread but now I’m looking forward to not eating it.
I am lactose Intolerant as well, and that includes unfortunately the delicious raw milk my friends free range cows give them. {from organic grass}
I think of several things. Milk creates mucus, which is an Immune response.
Cow Milk is designed for a baby with 4 stomachs, so it is meant to get digested 4 times, an option we don’t have when trying to process it.
Calcium Lactate is the hardest calcium for our body’s to use, and we actually need to use our own calcium supply’s to process it. Which is why when you compare a country’s Osteoporosis levels with a country’s milk consumption there is a direct correlation. The more Milk drunk, the higher the osteoporosis. The milk companies pump the ‘milk is high in calcium so therefore it is good for your bones’ line, but it is high in the BAD calcium and is bad for our bones…
The discussion of the recent genetic modification of wheat and its historical relationship with humans was excellent.
The theme throughout all of these recent nutrition podcasts is you darn well better think about what you are eating, and what people tell you is healthy ain’t necessarily so.
Timeless advice, I guess.
One of the interesting things about the entheogen movement, which is why I am here in the first place, is that it raises the possibility that humans are able to communicate with plants. Just like that ol’ Don Juan….hehe.
It is not much of a jump from entheogens to food. Maybe even the same thing. And so much more fundamental. Those Indian legends talk about the corn goddess….
Greetings Jan
An amazing interview, truly
Hey Jan
Back again.
One more thing if I may? If you are unfamiliar with this fellow and his work
http://www.fathead-movie.com/
A reader left this link at my blog and as luck would have it…
There is a” wheat is murder” t-shirt available for purchase
Hm, who knew?
Did You?
How about buckwheat?
We discussed in the interview… Buckwheat is fine for most people, but still be careful of too many carbs and diabetes.
Ahh.. I’ll have to go back and listen once more. Thanks, Jan.
Dr. Terry Wahls Cured Her Worsening Multiple Sclerosis with Diet
http://cryptogon.com/?p=26627
Can somebody who has Davis’ book tell me what reference he uses with regard to amylopectin-a causing a spike in small LDL particles. I can’t find anything on google scholar and the book isn’t at my local library right now.
Thanks!
The link to his website is above. Why not click it and ask him yourself, instead of having all of us, who have no time as it is, do your homework for you? Thanks.
http://www.healingnaturallybybee provides a comprehensive diet
to restore health and well being.
It eliminates wheat, grains, dairy and provides the saturated
fats and protein the body needs to rebuild and heal. This is a self-help
program. Nobody is going to sell you a book or a prepackaged,
marketed box of vitamins.
Has any one heard of Dr. Sebi? He claims to cure a lot of aliments like HIV. He was arrested because of his claims in the 80’s
and his defence was very interesting. Made Larken Rose look like a Statist. I think his main thing is to eat an Alkaline diet.
Even if he is wrong he is very entertaining to listen to.
Dr Sebi Eat 2 Live or Eat 2 Die – Full 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skjFFV1caHE&feature=related
in part two he gives a recipe to make non wheat grains rise.
Dr Sebi Eat 2 Live or Eat 2 Die – Full 2/2
AIDS is BS. See my interview with Dr. Peter Duesberg. Enjoy.
Yes, you are right on. Sebi talks about that and how Hep-C is the biggest killer in Africa not AIDS.
He says there is only one disease with many different symptoms that needs to be treated with diet.
In fact he is not even a doctor, he brags about not ever going to school, and that’s how he is able to think out
side the box. Which is why I think he is interesting. I think he is unknowingly using the Trivium in his thinking.
He may be a snake oil salesmen for all I know, but his rhetoric is in line with a lot of what is said here.
Again I just came along this guy and thought a lot of what he was saying was interesting not absolute truth.
And watch any random video of a person interviewing a Dr. or expert who is advocating AIDS isn’t bullshit at all. Trust me, the videos saying this far outweigh the .1% conspiracy theorists saying it doesn’t. That particular “Dr.” just wants to get a name out there for himself; which is basically all this ‘blog’ is, throwing out radical ideas hoping they’ll ‘get the word out’ which is just misleading anyone that comes through here that doesn’t have basic critical thinking skills learned in 3rd grade.
Here is a short blog by a Skip Oliva called FARMVILLE, USA http://www.underpenaltyofcatapult.com/449/farmville-usa
It ties factory farming, public schooling and grain-based processed foods together nicely.
Here’s a FREE podcast of Duesberg’s interview:
http://www.podcast-directory.co.uk/episodes/dr-peter-duesberg-interview-%E2%80%9Cinventing-aids%E2%80%9D-072-13075442.html
Joe, “doctor” Sebi, really Alfredo Bowman, is a con artist. People that were “cured” by him were simply subjet to placebo effect… much like Freudian psychology!
Yes, I definitely got the con artist vibe too. I’m not as stupid as I come across. I wasn’t promoting what he was selling, just
liked the way he thinks out side of the box and how he attributes it to not being subjected to government schooling.
Also thought his premise that the diet they are pushing on us just isn’t working.
Thanks for the Duesberg interview, can’t wait to listen.
I’m swimming in the muck down here, but thanks to you and the Trivium I can see a faint light.
can there be a discussion on corn..?
Corn is not near as harmful. GMO corns can be dangerous, but there are hundreds, if not thousands of indigenous corns that are of little problem. The medical/chemical problems related to corn pale in comparison to wheat. Yes, some people do have an issue, but corn is not the leading cause of obesity and heart disease and most of the problems that fill our modern “hospitals”.
Check out documentary “King Corn” for a start. And OMG You interviewed Salley Fallon?! My Lady will flip. Her book is considered divinely inspired gospel in the kitchen. (appeal to authority can be delicious.) My Great-Grandfather used to say corn is for the pigs, but he died. But my Grandfather was published for writing a poem called “ode to popcorn.” He also died. My father is fond of curing anyones mood problems by elevating blood sugar with corn-syrup. I general don’t have mood problems until 45 minutes after corn-syrup ingestions, as I’ve lost my tolerance for the refined substance.
Seen King Corn, and Fallon’s book is divinely inspired. EVERY PERSON I KNOW who has switched to her diet and work has seen immediate and dramatic results. Cut the wheat out, that will help the attitude.
Seth, what causes Osteoporosis is not the dairy but that you, like most Americans now, are most likely hypothyroid. When one is hypothyroid one becomes acidic. To reduce the acidity of the blood the body takes calcium from the bone. This information is well known but, as Alan Watt of http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix has often stated, much scientifically proven, well documented, information has been “put down the memory hole” to increase the profits of big Pharm and to increase eugenics.
Read Dr. Mark Starr’s book “Hypothyroidism Type 2″ or go to http://www.21centurymed.com and understand the TSH test is only about 2% accurate. The Basal Temperature test is over 80% accurate, far more accurate than any blood test for thyroid health. Read Dr. David Derry in how when the TSH test came out the majority of people were no longer considered hypothyroid and not allowed to receive their thyroid medication. At the same time, due to this test, they reduced the desiccated thyroid that was a beneficial non-toxic dose down by 2/3′s causing many people to develop their former symptoms back of fatigue to migraines to arthritis, etc. The synthetic thyroid of just T4 Dr. Starr says is worse than doing nothing. Long story. Read the book if you worry about osteoporosis.
I also recommend Dr. Tennant’s book “Health Is Voltage, Dr. David Derry’s book “Breast Cancer and Iodine” and Dr. Broda Barnes book “Hypothyroidism, The Unspected Illness.”
By the way, your thyroid is KEY to your immune system – which is why “they” are working so hard to destroy it. They have taken the iodine OUT of our milk, our bread and most of the salt (we were receiving 1 mg/day – now most people are receiving less than 150 mcg/day a figure which Dr. Albert Syent Gyorgi who received a Noble Price in Medicine and who trained Linus Pauling on Vit C would find about 500 times less than what we need to reduce disease and cancer and increase longevity – go to http://www.iodine4health.com and in the search box type in “audio” and listen to interviews with Dr. Flecha, Dr. Miller and Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD). Iodine is critical to thyroid function but also needed by EVERY cell in the body and “they” have replaced it with iodine antagonists – halides that block iodine of chlorine and flouride in your water and bromine in your bed to your bread to your soft drinks like Mountain Dew and Gator Aide. Why? Because when you are hypothyroid, your pH of your blood is reduced (normal is 7.35 to 7.45), your blood thus not only becomes acidic, it is unable to carry the normal amount of oxygen and when you have less oxygen in your blood the bugs (virus, bacteria, fungus and parasites) come out to have lunch and guess who they have for lunch? YOU! A low ph of 5.5 is where cancer can easily grow. Read Dr. Tennant’s book “Healing Is Voltage.”
Oh yes Jan, Dr. Davis forgot to mention iodine used to be put in bread to keep the loaf from developing a crack in the crust as the bread cooled. Now, as “experts” determine we were getting too much iodine in our food, they replaced the iodine with bromine, a fire-retardant and known carcinogen. If you listen to the Dr. Flecha interview, it was known in the 20′s that bromine caused children to become obese. Parents who wanted fat children gave them drinks of brominated quinine. Now you find drinks of brominated vegetable oils in Mountain Dew and Citrus flavored Gator Aid…another reason for the obesity. Also in the 70′x BromineSelzer (used to to get over alcohol hangovers_ was discontinued as 20% of the people developed psychosis.
Why do you think doctors only ask about high blood sugar but never low blood sugar or high cholesterol but not low cholesterol or high blood pressure but not low blood pressure AND they NEVER ask about your blood pH when your cells only work in a pH between 7.35 and 7.45 or millivolt of -20 to -25? Your thyroid is KEY to your voltage and your voltage is KEY to your health. Powerful important health information that has been put down the memory hole.
As a Holistic Doctor of Preventative Medicine & Certified Lymphologist, I have to agree that most people have no idea what all is in the milk and dairy products they are consuming. I would encourage you to take a serious look at this very important video!
Marketing Milk and Disease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKu2n4dMMCM
I can also help you put a protocol together that will bring your body back to Optimal Health living a pain free life!
Dr. Russ Newman CL, PMD,DCT(P)
Thanks, Doc. Please limit the advertising on the site. 🙂