“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 – 1860)
This episode is a presentation given by me, my first solo show, titled “Magic Mushrooms and the Psychedelic Revolution: Beginning a New History” – or “The Secret History of Magic Mushrooms” and is being released on Sunday, May 13, 2012.
Today is the 55th anniversary since the publication of the May 13, 1957, Life magazine article, Seeking the Magic Mushroom, published by Gordon Wasson, which is what is largely considered to have launched the psychedelic revolution.
Today we’re going to toss out the last 55 years of academic history regarding the discovery of magic mushrooms, the beginnings of the field of ethnomycology, and this major event in launching the psychedelic revolution; and we’re going to start a new history – one based on truth and verifiable facts rather than legends and myths.
Council on Foreign Relations, R. Gordon Wasson - Chairman
Six years in the making, this episode exposes one of the largest coverups in modern academic history – something that may one day be regarded as large as the Piltdown Hoax. We’re going to reveal how the psychedelic revolution was launched by the CFR, CIA and the elite, and how R. Gordon Wasson, the so called discoverer of magic mushrooms, and the founder of the field of ethnomycology, was himself a government asset, a friend of Edward Bernays – the father of propaganda, and is one of the key figures for launching one of the largest mind control operations in history – information never before revealed until today. And it doesn’t stop there. I’m going to provide information that shows how R. Gordon Wasson may have been one of the key players in the organization of the JFK assassination.
Gordon Wasson nominates George Keenan to the Century Club. Foreign Affairs (CFR) letter head.
The entire transcript of this show is posted for download on the page to this episode on the Gnostic Media website so that you can follow along. Also included in the transcript are 70 endnotes leading to the evidence presented herein.
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Thank you for including the transcript.
I’m probably going to agree with pretty much everything you say, and I’ve always found Wasson to be suspect. However, you should know that you sound completely insane here. LOL. Also, “Verifiable.” Spelling.
Exactly how do I sound “insane”? Do you have anything intelligent or constructive to say? Or just playing the “hatefulnerd”. Did you even bother to look at the citations?
I love you man. I’m just saying. WE know how messed up shit is. But to the casual observer, your claims are going to seem far out. OH AND HE ALSO WAS IN ON THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. My intelligent and/or constructive contribution is to suggest that when you present this thesis to audiences who do not necessarily have our background in conspiracy theory, that you maybe start out a little slower or with more specific dastardly claims about Wasson, then bring them along to the greater issues of social engineering and whatnot.
Again, I haven’t listened to what you have to say here yet. I’m just reacting to the teaser. Personally, I think this is the best podcast on the net. Whenever I think of people to recommend to you, you’re always like ALREADY HAD HIM ON. LOL. So you do a great job. I don’t agree with all your stuff, but you are awesome. I mean that.
And btw, you should check out Vyzygoth, Dave McGowan and Dan Russell in case you haven’t done so already. I think they would agree with you mightily. Vyz and Dave in particular, vis a vis the psychedelic movement as being a massive socially engineered open air mind control experiment. To reiterate: I love you man.
Vigilius maybe you should actually listen to the podcast so that you can establish for yourself that Jan sounds far from insane instead of basing your opinion on a introductory note.
I am sure Vyzygoth, Dave McGowan and Dan Russell will agree with Jan once they check out the citations themselves. No need to guess there I guess.
Well, just by reading the teaser Mr. Irvin DOES indeed sound insane. I am sure he has evidence to support what he believes, but just by reading this page I am less inclined to listen to the audio than I was when I followed the link here. I am sure you are a great guy, but by saying; Oh, and he was involved on the Kennedy thing makes you sound off your rocker. #JS.
You seem to be one of those types who uses fallacies to reach your conclusions before looking at the evidence, which is provided in both the transcript and audio, with links to citations. I’ve no concern with people who resort to ad hominem attacks and kill the messanger and put their logic before their research. You can either educate yourself and not use fallacies here, or go someplace else. Around here we teach critical thinking and, well, if you’re not using it, or are incapable of doing so, you’ll be chased out.
Smart people would simply click on the transcript link and view what evidence is there BEFORE they waste mine and everyone else’s time with empty comments and ad hominem attacks – simply for the reason that they’re too goddamned lazy or don’t think clearly. Had you actually put your research before your conclusions, you’d have found this, along with images, in the transcript that was provided for your download BEFORE you ever commented:
The truth sometimes seems insane to those who were raised in fallacies.
Jan – I absolutely agree when you say that some (even many) people….
“…uses fallacies to reach {their} conclusions before looking at the evidence, which is provided in both the transcript and audio, with links to citations,”
however, I am not sure he was just talking about “ad hominem” attacks. I think the point he was trying to get across is that a certain segment of the population will automatically write you off, or want to look no further when you make a claim like the one about the kennedy assassination *in a descriptive blurb.* In other words, some people may read no further.
I can understand wanting to include the JFK-association in the description. To an entirely different segment of the population, such a statement will act as a magnet. I think he was just suggesting that your ideas could reach a wider audience if you kept some of the absolute most shocking claims a bit more veiled until the actual presentation.
Maybe you’re not concerned with those who don’t apply logic. I genuinely am. Schools are failing us. Parents are failing us. It would be a shame if someone didn’t hear your message simply because their cultural programming and propaganda-indoctrination is causing knee-jerk reaction toward a statement that pushes them outside their comfort zone.
I’m sure you understand that there are few events in the recent american consciousness with a greater impact (and dividing power) than the JFK assassination. And while many more americans now believe there was a conspiracy in Dallas than ever in the past, it is true that to someone who hasn’t already had their mind opened somewhat, that this can sound equally “crazy” as “we never landed on the moon, but the aliens have a base there.”
I have even seen otherwise seemingly logical and intelligent people fooled on this issue. I think it may come down to some combination of pride and fear. Lots of people won’t believe it because they don’t WANT to. That could mean the country they love / have fought for / which “represents” them is possibly “evil”, and the implications of that are, I believe, literally too frightening or depressing for some minds to entertain.
Remember the comfort-driven culture we’ve been brought up in. I’m not sure if you went to the same kind of public schools as me — but I was taught (daily) from a very young age that we are the greatest country in the world. That we stand for freedom. That we are different, better, an example to the rest of the world. As far as I could tell, just about everyone around me believed it. Even through high school, college, and now adulthood.
Thank you for your awesome work, Jan!
Hi, thanks, I don’t sugar coat, nor do I feel the need to withhold information from the readers. They can get that from the MSM or any other crap news outlet out there that intentionally withholds, sugar coats and fools. You’re more than welcome to do it your way on your own show. I’m worried about the ones whom are capable of thinking, because those who don’t, sugar coating lies by omission, et al, don’t normally get them to look at information any faster.
Jan, I think Vigilius is saying that to the average person on the street, all of this does sound insane. I think most people that come to your website are already outside-the-box enough to accept what you’re saying, but if you want to initiate the average minded person into this stuff, it’s better to ease them in rather than slap them in the face with facts and overwhelm them. People are conditioned to dismiss information that goes against the mainstream, when you start linking mushrooms to elites and conspiracy theories, even though you have facts, the conditioning kicks in and they’ll label you insane. I know these people are not your audience, but it’s good keep in mind where most people’s heads are at.
Correctomundo.
Why does linking an insider and proven liar and manipulator R. Gordon Wasson to the JFK assassination sound “crazy”?
You think Jan should shy away from illustrating such a despicable connection? I’m curious as to why…do you think this connection he has drawn lacks merit?
Or do you think “mainstream” people visiting the site are so biased and conditioned, that if and when they ever hear reference to the JFK assassination, they quickly dismiss all info connected to said claims as “crazy”?
Jan,
Thank you for a great interview.
I can’t wait to see the rest of the work.
I will say that Casual observor and Vigilius are not setting aside their own preconcieved biases before they ascually LISTEN to the content of the material.
” I am less inclined to listen to the audio than I was when I followed the link here. ” That statement right there is one of the more frustrating attitudes I find when sharing this information with others.
I got into it with a “friend” one time when I posted an addmitely shoddy link to Mark Passio’s presentation on the Occult in Law enforcement.. which was an EXCELLENT talk btw.. However.. the link I provided was from someone in the audience (I didn’t realize it at the time) and he was automatically “turned off” by the entire talk Because the camera was shaking and Mark brought up about Satanism. Granted.. it is always a good thing to put your best food forward. Go in wearing a tie to an interview than a ratty t-shirt and cutoffs.. but even when I reposted a better link he was already locked down into his preconcieved and very hostile attitude and accused me of being a “conspiracy nut”.. Obviously I triggered him about something.. but again.. HIS issues..
However, if we are going to move forward if folks are TRULY invested in the truth.. they need to step back from any initial prejudices and preconcieved notions and listen to the entire content before casting such judgement.
Granted.. I have wandered into podcasts initially thinking they sounded great and posted it BEFORE I finished listening to it and regretted my actions because the person wasn’t all they seemed to be.. .
But people need to do their homework..
I know some of the stuff you discuss I currently don’t “agree” with… and admittedly triggers me.. Having limited time available I can’t delve more into the material to overcome that.. so I currently just have to set it aside.. but still keeping an open mind.
I think your research is solid. Keep up the good work!
Justin, where does any of this sound insane? If you can’t be specific your opinions are just random typing to be dismissed out of hand.
As a complete stranger who clicked here by fortuitous accident, I am glad you outlined your material just as you did. How often are advocates of truth, the just, and the illuminating, told to reconfigure or transform ther message or its asthetic wrapper, metely to sugarcoat it for some proverbial third party who might be incredulous for their still dormant qualities, Nonsense. Truth must be put only as we see fit, without any distortions on our part to appease those mght themselves be on divergent paths along the principle route to recovery from the collective social hypnosis.
In 911 Truth, these conformity police suggest we do not question certain politically sensitive areas, or scientifically far-fetched. As is well known to the illuminated, your incredulity at What Is says more about you than it does me, or that sacred truth I bring.
Good on ya’ mate for sticking to your guns. I hear you, and it was your JFK reference that made me tarry here long enough to listen to your whole podcast. Now you have a new neophyte in your circle and someone who will help your particular campaign.
Thank you.
J.
My first impression of Jan Irvin’s investigation into Wasson’s interference with John Allegro’s research–before i read his work– was that he was a just a bright angry person with an axe to grind; not much substance to his claims. But finally I have over come my prejudice and examined his first book, The Holy Mushroom, and I’ve read a early draft of this presentation. Although I haven’t sen the original documents I am now convinced that he is on to something very important that is going to cause a lot of cognitive dissonance in those who, like me, saw psychedelics as an important key to human evolution and religious experience. It appears that the official story of the origins of psychedelia–like most of the official myth making stories of our society, may well be not only false, but a contrivance meant to manipulate and deceive, rather than liberate human consciousness from its enslavement. Whenever you see psychedelics covered in the mainstream media–which is better understood as propaganda–do suspect that someone is trying to deceive you. Jan Irvin’s investigations show how this deception began more than 55 years ago and is getting stronger everyday. I for one will be most interested in course of his studies and how they are perceived.
Thanks for the kind words, Robert. It’s great when we put our grammar before our logic, isn’t it? 😉
Just finished listening. THanks Jan for your untiring work. Will send a few bucks.
Imagine if you were of a higher civilization that operated in conscious awareness of the interconnectivity of all life, say a “galactic” enterprise travelling on light and spores, a la McKenna channeled shroom messages, then perhaps we have the cart before the horse. Perhaps the “shroom” beings have been watching over humanity and it was time to release an OS upgrade to the human genome.
So what would be the most efficient delivery system? Why the “elite” who control the flow lines of information, banking, trade, media… or at least would like to believe they are in control. Their weakness is that they have grown up being preened and educated into believing that they are better than the rest of us, and need to control our unruly impulses. And bright they are. But trapped by their own cleverness and meta-programming by the over-culture than runs them. They are not the top of the food chain even if they think they are. Who is behind them? This is the dicey area we are now getting into thanks to psychedelics which allow us to inspect the sub-programs that were laid into our epigenetics. Dark forces? Satanists? AI creatures from the collective Id?
No matter, they are being outed.
I think of how war, the medium of the dominators, often leads to the exchange of information, DNA and cross pollinization, and increasing Open Source, which is counter productive to the dominators intentions. Railroads across America in the 19th century were built by ambitious men in it for the profit; then they overbuilt, many companies crashed and were consolidated into bigger combines. But the inter-connectiviyt increased. Ideas flowed. People moved.
Likewise the Internet starting with the military ARPANET. The dominators created thw apparatus that will lead to the dismantling of their control systems.
So I would like to believe that the superior mind of the mushroom people has been making use of the “nervous structures” dominators have laid into society, not knowing they were being used by a higher evolutionary impulse.
It may be that Wasson et al., did not want the genie to get out of the bottle as it did. This just leaves me with more respect for the maligned Tim Leary who had the faith that even with all the messiness and collateral damage, releasing psychedelics would in the long run do far more good than harm. What is repressed and hidden must come out to create an honest society with mutual respect for all beings.
Really looking forward to this! Gonna listen later.
Jan, you dont sound insane to me, you never have. I notice that you get some weird comments… Pisses me off.
Much respect,
M
O’, and see if you can work in Bill Wilson (AA founder, early proponent of tripping) hanging with J.F. Dulles (Zurich, oss) and Carl Jung during the war cooking up plans. By saying you “sound insane” he means you sound noticeably overzealous and a tad manic (and rageful perhaps ?) in your vocal tonal assertion delivery style on this particular show. Which is true but is ok. It’s a symptom of being the messenger on the currently cracking consensus trance and the excitement/anxiety of doing so. I remember bringing up Wasson’s VP status at JP Morgan at some “underground” lecture/fest years ago and all the heads we’re immobilized into glazed anxiety/indifference at the implications.
I am immediately skeptical right off the reel, I will admit. Using phrases like “verifiable facts” and “the Truth” as it pertains to history and the intentions of long dead men is a bit bold, to say the least.
A “temple” to Wasson at Harvard is hearsay, and anecdotal, for instance
I will not spend too much time critiquing your claims, but the first reference I made it a point to look up was your claim that Wasson’s wife, Valentina, was a member of the Russian intelligence community, or KGB.
According to you, this “fact” was found in a book she wrote, herself, about types of mushrooms used in Nordic cultures.
“And when we understand that Wasson’s wife, Valentina Pavlovna, was from the Russian intelligentsia… 8”
(8 R. Gordon Wasson and Valentina Pavlovna Wasson, Mushrooms, Russia and History, Pantheon Books, 1957, p. 4ff)
Nowhere in this citation have I seen evidence of Vaentina being a member of the KGB. It seems, just from this initial fact check, that you are attributing much more to your references than what is warranted by their actual text.
In reference to your attempting to get into the Wasson Collection, of course the family of Watson doesn’t want you smearing his name, and would block you from viewing his intimate documents. Is that surprising to you? Your email essentially expressed that was your intention. I would block you from MY dad’s archive too, if you came in saying you hoped to destroy my dead father’s reputation.
Some very interesting history, none-the-less. In hearing it, part of me wants all of the points of connection and quotes to be congealed into a central thesis, or answering a clearly expressed introductory question. Like “What was the actual reason for Wasson’s popularizing of psychedelics?”
Kaleb, do you read clearly? It says that she was a member of the “Russian intelligentsia” which she herself stated there. Where does it say the KGB? Her family left before the Russian Revolution, before the KGB existed, Kaleb! I suggest you actually go through and read the citations, as you typically seem to allow things to get the best of you before proper or careful study. I will post up the citation to show your lack of critical reading.
This is from Chapter 1, page 4, Mushrooms, Russia and History:
Take our family for instance. We were
Muscovites. My parents belonged to the Russian intelligentsia, and were city
bred. We children spent most of our childhood in the immense cities of Moscow
and St. Petersburg, and only our vacations in the country. Yet to no one in
all Muscovy could it have seemed strange that Tanya and I, and all our little
playmates, made ourselves useful, when in the country, by gathering various
kinds of mushrooms and bringing them home in childish rivalry and glee to
the kitchen. When we were naughty, our mother would punish us by forbidding
us to go mushrooming.
KGB… you’re incredible… nice way to spin things out of context from what was actually said. Fail again.
My being honest about my immediate skepticism was, a skepticism Robert Forte mentioned he also felt at first glance, was an admission of a feeling. This “first impression” has worth… as most first impressions do. If I have that immediate reaction, odds are more people than just Robert share it…
The gut reaction comes from the fact that many of in the psychedelic community revere Wasson as a pioneer. He is widely considered a hero for his work and mycelial “gospel.” It is safe to say that, when many of the community first encounter his character being called into question, regardless of the legitimacy of the footnotes, some part of them will react strongly — if only to defend the hero of this “legend.”
All of that, I felt, was worthwhile to you and so I admitted my immediate gut reaction to the idea of a personal hero being defamed. I mentioned it, in a constructive way, as something I felt it would be wise to be sensitive to in writing for an audience who, most likely, shares my feelings for Wasson.
But I’m done tip-toeing around this issue, trying not to offend you with my honest feedback… its too much work and you don’t seem to appreciate the effort.
Kaleb in my experience, the Trivium is way more efficient than your gut in establishing the meaning/value of information.
Henk, I’ve tried to tell him that a dozen times.
Awsome job Jan. And might i add great ending song \m/ \m/
Please, ignore my previous comments, here they come corrected. I didn’t read it after myself before:
Hello, so I went through the transcript (why locked?), and here are my comments (apologies for my bad english):
1) Masha – we read about her feelings and believes, that is no proof of anything, especially if one considers often difficult relations between parents and children
2)Valentina Pavlovna’s origin in inteligentsia or elite, as you say, should exclude her love for mushrooms? Why? You probably don’t know anything about mycofilic nations as russians or czech (me). When you read some russian novels, you may clearly see that it was normal and common to go to woods, to nature, to enjoy it. Being from “elite” does not mean that you can not love mushroom. Such assertion is quite absurd.
3) You say -”the more I contemplate this story, the more absurd it seems” – What do you mean by contemplation? Is that a processing of inputs and outputs as you claim thinking to be?
4) Why are you so obsessed with that story? You talk about foundational myth. But really, why does it matter? Do you really think that all the people were seduced by it? For Gods sake, it was but a magazine story, no “foundational myth”. On the other hand, it inspired a lot of people.
5)”This led me to the conclusion that the Harvard Collection is an extremely sellective …” Why extremely? You can say that about any library collection.
6)”I’am especially interested in missives that would show Wasson to have intentionally created the psychedelic movement” – Ok, say that to Hoffman,Alpert, Leary, Metzner or Gingsberg or Kessey. Wasson didn’t created the movement.
7)Lisa’s D. answer to your request is secretive and no reasons are given. That rises suspicion. But still proofs nothing.
8) Gordon Wasson was a Wall Street Banker – We all know that. But being a banker, doesn’t automatically mean being evil fascist person. Fortes claim about Wassson being a part of American fascism circles comes without any sources or proofs again. Or you could even say that he unwilling or willingly helped to establish anti-establishmet, the underground by stealing the secrets. But on the other hand, are mushrooms a secret?
9) Synchronicity between nuclear power and psychedelics is interesting. But it comes along with modern science that explores everything it can to get more power. Power may be used in different ways, depending on its source and the will of those with powers. As everything in humanity, it has two sides.
10) Wasson – Bourke relation: Wasson borrows from Bourke, so what? All schollars do that. but they should be open about it. May be Wasson was not so much of a schollar.
11) “Certainly something mycological lived on at Morgan Guaranty Trust” – What does it mean?
12) “It seems! to me that the entire operation at Life-Time was purely for spreading propaganda to American public for the purpose of intelligence community, J. P. Morgan, and the elite.” – From my perspective, you don’t need any conspiracy for that. It is well known political fact – who controls information, controls minds. Egyptian kings new that. Wasson could be a propagandist for the evil elite, but hge could be a “good fool” as well used by them or he could even be a troy horse. The main question is, why would this american, intelligence, fascist elite want to disseminate “the mushroom meme”? For what purpose? They don’t control what mushrooms do peoples minds or do they?
13) Winston Churchill- a promoter of Hitler – Hm. All the western world helpep Nazi Germany to rise, but not for liking them, but for being cowardly and delusionall, for bein unable to cope with catastrophic situation in Europe. Of course, you may say that the First World War was a international plot of elites, that financial crises in 30s and all the capitalist system is controlled by bank sector and so on. But still – I don’t understand how could psychedelics help them. From my experience they don’t establish control over people or do they? Where is the connection to mushrooms or something mycological?
12) About Leary. From what I read in his memoires, he was quite open about CIA and stuff, he was elitist a bit, but can we deny that he went public and tried to be frank about psychedelics in scientific way?
13) The main problem for me: the dichotomy of evil fascist elite and good public. How do we know that some people in power have evil intentions? Is it possible that some of them have good intentions? And how do we decide?
So you read half, listened to half, didn’t check the citations, and can’t see the larger picture because you’re too focused on nitpicking things you’ve largely taken out of context yourself. You focus all on the Masha portion, not studying it and thinking the words over carefully. I didn’t say it was proof, I said very clearly that it gives reason to doubt, and when you get to the end of the article, which it appears you didn’t, you’d see that she’s tied in with these people.
Had you paid attention to WHY the Harvard selection is limited, it’s BECAUSE the materials found in abundance at the other university archives are not found at Harvard. This was made clear. You’re free to actually check through the citations I’ve used and verify and compare them to what’s on the Harvard site and see for yourself – you know, use thinking.
The word contemplation means to mull something over, to review all of the contradictions, removing them, and seeing what position of the story makes the most sense in light of the other new evidence – which means when you realize that we’re dealing with elite with their own agenda. Buying the accepted version of the story without considering the contradictions is not thinking – as you’d like to think.
6)”I’am especially interested in missives that would show Wasson to have intentionally created the psychedelic movement” – Ok, say that to Hoffman,Alpert, Leary, Metzner or Gingsberg or Kessey. Wasson didn’t created the movement.
Do you read, listen? Hoffman has been identified as an agent, as the article discussed, as did my interview with Hank Albarelli. The article further discussed that Leary got his info from Luce, as did Kessey. But you’re using a post hoc fallacy here by not looking at the evidence and taking people that came AFTER these events and trying to place them before – except maybe for Ginsberg. I clearly discussed in the article Wasson being ONE OF THE KEY PEOPLE in LAUNCHING THE MOVEMENT.
10) Wasson – Bourke relation: Wasson borrows from Bourke, so what? All schollars do that. but they should be open about it. May be Wasson was not so much of a schollar.
Again, pay attention. Scholars borrow all of the time – and use citations to do so. They don’t bury the source that happens to have the very outline of their entire field of study that they later “create”.
“8) Gordon Wasson was a Wall Street Banker – We all know that. But being a banker, doesn’t automatically mean being evil fascist person. Fortes claim about Wassson being a part of American fascism circles comes without any sources or proofs again. Or you could even say that he unwilling or willingly helped to establish anti-establishmet, the underground by stealing the secrets. But on the other hand, are mushrooms a secret?”
The more I read your comments, the less capable of thinking clearly I think you are.
Where did the article say that because he was a banker, that makes him evil? Are you stupid? I provided a whole lot of evidence with primary citations, I’ve even posted up pages that show his direct ties to the CfR and intelligence community, and you come back with this hair brained nonsense?
If you’re going to talk about thinking, maybe you should.
“11) “Certainly something mycological lived on at Morgan Guaranty Trust” – What does it mean?”
That’s a quote. Learn how to read and “contemplate it”.
Your comments are all over the place, poorly thought out, lacking any context of the bigger picture, or having even tried to look at or understand the citations. I won’t bother answering your posts again. You appear more as a troll trying to waste my time than someone with honest inquiries.
Wow…
Did you actually Listen?
“534”
That put a smile on my face 🙂
Reminds me of a very biased reading I had the displeasure to read, Andy Letcher’s “Shroom, a cultural history of the magic mushroom” in this distasteful book he attacks and attempts to dismissing the connection of fly agaric to x-mas, john marco allegro to christianity, and glorifies wasson, he also is very critical of terrence mckennas sanity. Don’t even read it if you havent already wasted your time.
This was a very thought provoking episode. Here are my thoughts. As to a motivation for the elites to get people to use these substances, I am gleaning some connections with my reading of John Taylor Gattos work on the creation of our school system. The elites saw Family and Church community as two major obstacles to controlling the masses. School was designed to break these, and it was designed by people in the same circles as Wasson Just from a personal perspective, after tripping, church and much of what was taught there seemed ridiculous. I also saw my parents as being very boring and unenlightened and couldn’t wait to get away from them and get on the road. Jan, you take us through wassons nefarious life up to the publication of the article in Life. Where does it go from here? Did reading this article subconciously inspire millions to trip? Can you fill in the gaps?
Re; the Gordon Wasson narrative
“recently married we spent our holiday in the Catskills mountain in New York State.
On the first day we went strolling along a lovely mountain path, through woods criss-crossed by the slanting rays of the descending sun. We were young, carefree and in love.
Suddenly my new bride abandoned my side. She had spied wild mushrooms in the forest and racing over the carpet of dried leaves in the woods……..”
Where to begin?
walking on some random mountain path
the descending sun- slanting rays indicating it would be darkening
Who here has spent time in a forest? Even in the bright light of day they are heavily shaded.
If the sun was going down as Wasson indicates the woods would be even darker.
How is it possible that his new bride would spy mushrooms growing on the darkening, heavily leafed forest floor, at a distance????
“racing over the carpet of dried leaves”
I have foraged for mushrooms on multiple occasions and I mean multiple
The odds of actually being able to see/distinguish mushrooms, from a distance, on the dark leaf covered forest floor are astronomically stacked against you.
FYI: the colours of the vast majority of mushrooms range from whitish to grey to beige (vary shades of)
Even the amanita mascaria in it’s orangish colour is tough to distinguish in amongst the leaves and greenery
Most mushroomers walk along, using a stick to move aside grass and plants to find mushrooms in amongst the fauna of the forest.
If mushrooms such as maitake are located near the base of a tree they are even tougher to find as they blend in with the bark and roots
Just an FYI
IMHO: It is a really nice romantic story, with the sun going down and the leaves carpeting the ground… but, that is about all it is.
It would make way more sense, IMO, that they were out actually looking for mushrooms
Not strolling, but mushroom foraging
oops, my dyslexic ways have reared their ugly head
” find mushrooms in amongst the fauna”
mushrooms would be amongst the flora.
the one mushroom it would be possible to see from a distance?
A giant puffball!
Proper Amanita muscaria is bright red and can indeed be spotted from a distance for this reason, but I agree that this story sounds like a Hollywood production.
There are many types of “proper” Amanita muscaria, that range from yellow to bright red.
But, then that would be less romantic and less conducive to creating a legend..
sorry, I forgot that part 🙂
One last thought
I commend you, Jan, for taking all this work on.
It must have been a lot.
I intend to post it at my blog, including the transcript all linked back to you.
For me, this connects the dots on so many scenarios
Not so much the mushroom angle
But the agenda of MKultra. The LSD ‘movement’
the drugging of the public without their knowledge
experimentation of prisoners and orphans
I was aware that Wasson had been previously attached to the Kennedy assassination
This work of yours adds another layer to all I have already read
It also ties in with the Laurel Canyon stuff written by David McGowan
The “creation” of the Hippie Culture, ties in to the drug culture, ties in to the intelligence apparatus.
All very relevant. And, thoroughly enjoyable.
BJ – this doesn’t tally with what I recall of ‘Shroom’ though being somewhat elderly my recollections may not be clear! One of the prime weaknesses of ‘Shroom’ was it’s character assassination of Allegro, Leary and Wasson. Whatever their faults of character these have no bearing on the quality of their research (Wasson, Allegro) or necessarily their contribution to popular culture (Leary). For example Andy Letcher accuses Wasson of exploiting the affections of a native American research subject to bolster his researches, based on rather slim evidence. He also condemns Wasson for being an armchair anthropologist with research methodology that belongs to the turn of the century – hardly glorification. On McKenna he goes much easier, probably because he was formerly an admirer. Letcher is strong on the popular culture of shroomers in the 80s and 90s partly because he took part in that culture. There is some other good stuff in ‘Shroom’ but imho he let’s himself down by resorting to character assassination and by his obvious determination to reveal the mythological nature of notions dear to popular shroom culture and the weaknesses of some of Wasson’s research and that Leary had feet of clay. Jan’s researches plainly do not necessarily question the validity of Wasson’s researches only his reasons for being engaged in his extraordinary mycological mission. With ‘Shroom’ you have to take to good with the bad, make use of what you find valuable a reject what you find flawed. The same applies to Wasson, Leary or McKenna. The flaws of those who make major contributions to culture are usually writ large. Whether Leary or Wasson were working for the Dark Side is another matter…
Very well said, Alan.
I just read this book a month ago, I read it on vacation within a week. And I love to take new information in, some of the people I find to be the most accurate through my experiences and research include, Jan(obvoiously), MP HALL, Mckenna, Icke, Santos Bonnacci, Bill Donahue, Freeman Fly, Chris and Sheree, ONE STEP BEYOND SACRED MUSHROOM etc… I have been out of body many times and me having experienced telepathy first hand booming. The reason I say this is that for the average profane person who would read SHROOM would have a programmed view, who Andy declares is factual research, it’s very Biased and attacks on Allegro make it seem like Letcher is Christian. On Wasson it seemed as if he painted a really nice picture of him before he did any deglorification. I would not recommended the book to anyone who wants to understand the Mushroom or it’s history, as it appears to mix disinfo or bias with certain truths.
Jan,
I have listened to your show avidly since you first come on the Net. I have watched both versions of you AstroShamanism documentary and I purchased the book and DVD. I have been “on your side” for that long.
However I think you are missing the point of the the comments by Vigilus and Casual Observer. It does not matter how good your references are, how good your rhetoric, grammar and logic are, how qualified your guests are or any of that: if you sound insane, you sound insane. Period. And I have to agree, you sound insane enough often enough that I often now just can’t listen to you even when I look at the references and citations. It is about your PRESENTATION not your background material. Just sayin’ …
Keep ’em flying.
Thanks for the ad hominem. That’s using logic. It’s a pity that such people have to think in terms of lies like yours, attempting to kill the messenger and every other possible means of irrationality, and fallacies, rather than just looking at what’s right before them and before reaching ANY conclusion on it. It’s just logic, common sense.
How does one “look insane” exactly, by presenting well founded evidence? Is it because my information is outside of their trained reaction, like a Pavlov dog, and because they’re so well conditioned, they have to consider me as insane, rather than dare question their own conclusions?
Is it really that I look insane, or is it rather a reflection of the limited cognizance of those with such perceptions?
BTW, if you’re going to say that: “you sound insane enough often enough that I often now just can’t listen to you even when I look at the references and citations.” the least you could do is show, provide the onus of proof, of exactly how one sounds insane with the citations and references, and exactly where this was, without just making unfounded generalizations as you have.
Again, it just seems to me that this reflects your lack of critical thinking, and projects nothing what so ever on to me.
What sounds insane?
The letters J, F and K…and all thereafter?
I’m sorry, but many of those involved are now well-known and the connections will continue to be exposed unless the internet is effectively shut down.
Regarding JFK…May I be so bold as to recommend “Family of Secrets” by Russ Baker…pretty mainstream, and well researched.
Just sayin’.
Bring your ad hominem.
Another great show. I enjoyed it. Gnosticmedia mp3s are probably my most favorite, and I spend a lot of time walking and listening – a health activity for me and the dog – and always look forward to Jan’s show. Co-incidently the shows are about a good walk long. All the Tragedy amd Hope broadcasts are also very good. If your new to this site be prepared to learn a great deal.
if psychedelics are so good for your soul as i believe they are and they give humans such a profound “religious” experience as to help them dismiss the bullshit of this world we live in why would the CIA the CFR and the powers that were, want the people to be exposed to psychedelics?? wouldnt that be detremential to keeping us “slaves to the system” what with people being able to “wake up” after tripping (as i have, they are medicine and should be approached with respect and appreciation). also as a side comment…Jan im just curious if you have any knowledge of what species of psychedelic mushrooms are the most potent?? im aware that there are many species of psychedelic mushrooms and ive only been able to try[the psylocybe cubensis but im curious as to the bodily/mind effects of the other species such as the liberty cap and the cyanesis (?) mushrooms, if you have any info that might be helpful to me that would be great, or at least point me in the right direction. ive always wondered if the different species would give a different type of trip or if they are basically all the same…thanks so much for your work Jan…its helped me on this journey we call life!!
Maybe you’d better start questioning that very premise… You fail to see how they use them for power. They don’t use them for spirituality.
When you get into studying the trivium and quadrivium, you’ll see how easy it is to mind control people using logical fallacies and the like. Take a college logic course, as the fallacies are taught there, or go to my website and I have a lot of information to get you going.
As I discussed in the show and in the transcript, it’s my opinion that they’re using positivist spirituality to control people and benefit from them – think of the human batteries in the Matrix. You see, if someone is all about being positive all the time and not thinking critically about information that comes their way, who does that benefit? I’ll tell you. It benefits who controls you. When ever you bring up that some politician or someone is doing some wrong and you’re told “you’re being negative” or idiocy like “you’re a conspiracy theorist” – that works in the favor of those who use such techniques. It’s very simple really. But the only way you can protect yourself from it is to study logic.
A study of the Qabalah also reveals how these things are done on a different level. As does natural law. You can study, for instance, Mark Passio’s show. He goes into detail on how this is done with both, as he’s a former priest of the church of Satan and teaches how he’d manipulate the congregation and what it was done for.
I did an episode on my show about this with Dr. Barbarah Ehrenreich, author of Bright-Sided, How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America.
http://media.blubrry.com/gnosticmedi…nreich_low.mp3
When you think of all of the hippies that are all about positive thinking; and not critical, balanced thinking, verifying the facts of reality before coming to a conclusion on anything, you can see how it would be very beneficial to a ruling class to corrupt the entire youth of its culture with such methods.
Another recommendation is for you to study John Taylor Gatto – The Underground History of American Education.
Terence Mckenna: “The idea that a small group of people is in charge of the world, is really preposterous.”
O the fallacies I had accepted as truths from that clown..
Henk, The scary thing is the fact that ideas and worldviews are the active ingredients published by the fearful needy to maintain power. Fear makes one quite do-BS…or, as I like to say, “It’s just BSness”.
Jan, Thanks for continuing to scratch your itch for the reasons we all say WTF? so often. I thought it interesting that record producer Paul Rothschild http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_A._Rothchild produced “the first example of what became acid rock”(wikipedia)as well as The Doors, CSNY,and Janice Joplin. I’ve also have to question The Grateful Dead’s value in all this with all the feel good self indulgence. What an amazing century to sort out.
As for sounding insane; I can only imagine the minds within the sheep’s clothing prefer the truth be dismissed as such. The marrow of the matter lies beyond the hardest part to breach…like the lottery, keep scratchin’.
I think you didn’t read him right, he’s a clown and you took him too literally. The World.
Jan are you going to be uploading this to youtube ?
Maybe eventually I’ll get to it. I’ve got to figure out how much documentation I want to release.
“Magic Mushrooms Around The World” http://www.scribd.com/doc/75198183/Gartz-Magic-Mushrooms-Around-the-World-A-Scientific-Journey-Across-Cultures-and-Time
Gordon Wasson was an elitist asshole, which is what the Soma priesthood was too. It’s called Brahmanism, I believe… That said, he is right about Soma being Amanita Muscaria and I invite anyone to make serious use of this mushroom to confirm what I have experienced in its use. I know that it is the venerable soma because it gives strength, speed, confidence, mental acuity, etc… It must be done in the right way though, and at the right dose to be experienced as such. Instead of following the brahmin tradition, with all of its historic caste-racist bullshit, why not follow the the lead of the more humble and more humane users such as the Eurasian shamans? The Brahmins don’t own the mushroom ya know. It’s part of nature and anyone can partake!
Oh and hey, another thing. I also believe that A. Muscaria was one of the first general antibiotics (antibacterial, antiviral, anti fungal) which is why I believe that ‘Jesus’ was actually the same ‘person’ as the god Soma. ‘He’ was able to cure people of bacterial and viral diseases which caused blindness, crippling, etc…. Of course, the herb and the shaman are inextricably tied together in the popular imagination…. Which is a shame, cause I’m tired of seeing that poor hippie up on a cross..
But Jesus, in fact, never really existed.
I mentioned this in the comments of the last podcast, but in case you didnt see it, what do you think about the Heffter institute? Its in part funded by Rockefeller and while I like Dennis Mckenna I have to question what Rockefeller hopes to gain from such research.
Patrick, an early Peace Revolution podcast explains how “they” fund many angles to stay informed as well as insert agents. Influenca I call it…bad stuff.
This is quite amazing. There is also a tie in between some of this and social cybernetics. You know Aldous Huxley’s “Ultimate Revolution” speech? He mentioned Jacques Ellul’s The Technological Society”, for a guide to how this would be implemented. That, and other work influenced “the unabomber”.
The Unabomber was also aware of the broader implications of this. I think he was subject to psych warfare from LSD as a student. I suggest seeing the film “Das Netz”, which goes into all this, and also explores social cybernetics.
I feel, though, that the tie in to Hitler is an irrelevant non-sequitur.
Isn’t basing that conclusion on a feeling, non-sequitur by itself?
Well, actually, not really, since Wasson did have ties to them.
I didn’t see your comment when I posted the response. It seem like my response to you really was a non-sequitur.
Hmmm..Jan bounced that world mushroom book off the comments section. Or maybe it’s on one of the other interviews. Anybody see that thing ? He’s a bit of a tyrant, isn’t he ?
You’re a new poster. It had to be approved.
I’ve reposted the Bright-Sided interview with Barbara Ehrenreich, which ties into the positive thinking stuff being used for mind control:
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/053-bright-sided-an-interview-with-dr-barbara-ehrenreich/
Jan – Excellent work. Thanks. I was familiar with much of this, but never in the depth you presented.
I’ll take a risk here:
On sounding like a Crazy Person:
Person A presents Facts that are in contradiction with person B’s deeply held belief system.
Person B experiences cognitive dissonance, and has an emotional need to change the circumstance.
Person B’s dilema: One of us must be insane. I’m not insane, therefore person A must be insane.
cause: Person B previously accepted as deeply held fact a false belief.
I’m not quite old enough, but person B recalls first hand the 1969 southern California Peace & Drug movement as world changing goodness emerging to conquer evil. Person A tells them they were being used as lab rats in a MK Ultra experiment to perfect mind control technique for the Military industrial complex (with quality research). Person B believes his experience of the events is true, the new information is insanity.
this is a very common observation from our generation of the old hippies.
This is a perfect analysis. Thank you.
Newbee here. I like many of Jan’s podcasts – makes for a quite impressive library. I have two questions, 1) What do posters here (and Jan) think of, Daniel Pinchbeck’s idea’s, realitysandwich, and the evolver movement?and 2) Jan, what IS your take on entheogens? Pro or con or both? Thanks for any help and keep up the great work. BTW, I bought “Holy Mushrooms…” and loved it. I think that it is ahead of its time. Good work!
I’ve done over 50 interviews on entheogens, and I’ve published books on them… so just check there.
Reality Sandwich is junk food. We Are One but some are more One than others, namaste, bro.
I have also read the David McGowan articles that Penny was referring to above. They are very interesting, however it’s disappointing that he doesn’t cite his resources. I also seem to recall a pretty good amount of fallacies in his writing, but I’ll have to go back through it. Here’s the website Penny’s referring to: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
This guy may be an good guest for a future episode, Jan. I’d also be curious if you’ve run into any similar information regarding the connections between the psychedelic movement and the entertainment industry in your research.
And I’d also like to complement Jan on his fine work. I’m finding this type of information to be more and more important the more I contemplate it. I came to the realization that so much of our human history involves some form of mind control. This really sunk in for me listening to your Larken Rose interviews, and helped clearly define for me how government was a big superstition and lie. So what else about us (our culture) is based on lies? That’s a very hard thing for people to admit. So it’s absolutely critical for people to understand the origins of this psychedelic meme as well as how mind control works. I think we’re onto something and we’re getting to the heart of the matter. God Speed to all the thinkers out there. And I think we should all stay positive… just make sure you put grammar, logic, and rhetoric before your positivity.
FYI Devon:
The Laurel Canyon series got so popular on line that someone, unsure who, offered Dave McGowan a book deal.
As for resources?
I am quite certain they will be contained in the book.
If you haven’t read his books? If I may be so bold to suggest, give them a read.
Especially the serial killer one- Programmed to kill
I have the first six chapters of it up at my blog
The Laurel Canyon stuff and all that it entails, I did some digging on my own. The best kind to do… I had a number of posts at my place that bolstered The Laurel Canyon Saga and it’s ties to the intel community.
Including a bit of a hostile visit from “Bear”
Yes, that Bear. The LSD bear, tied to the Grateful Dead.
Owsley Stanley III
I could confirm by my hit counter, that the visit came from the area where Owsley Stanley was last resident prior to this death
The fact that Owsely Stanley and the Grateful Dead set up shop near a brothel, when CIA was coincidentally conducting “Operation Midnight Climax” (Sounds like a porn show, cause that’s pretty much what it was) Is far too much of a coincidence…..
And, I am not a coincidence theorist.
Jan’s work on Gordon Wasson, mushrooms and intelligence fits right into this narrative, as already said another layer…
There’s NO WAY AOS3’s stuff could’ve been that pure without MAJOR help. No NGOs here. Maybe the stars were just right,
too. v. is for v.i.t.r.i.o.l.
Jan,
I enjoyed this Wasson information. It fits extremey well with my observations on “things”.
From my limited perspective, I have formulated a thesis based on ethnic organized crime as a methodolgy to study how many aspects of contemporary history unfold.
Wasson is a brilliant example of the Anglo American “Eastern Establishment”. Wasson’s role in the JFK assassination reflects a factional dispute/gang war between ethnic entities. JFK being a titular head of the Irish Catholic organized crime/mafia. LBJ has been quoted as saying, with JFK’s death that he LBJ, would not be troubled with the Irish mafia anymore (that’s a clumsey paraphrase but basically correct).
Wasson’s brother Thomas’ assassination in Jerusalem in 1948 was new info for me and quite enthralling. Again, the Anglo American Eastern Establishment (Wasson’s brother) assassinated by I guess, Israeli Zionist organized crime. More factional gangland warfare amongst the elites.
Throughout McGowan’s Laurel Canyon series, I perceive this same ethnic based factional gangland style warfare.
Wrapping this up, my conclusion is, the Anglo American Eastern Establishment, as the biggest fish in the pond has had to defend itself against some lethal upstarts. The Jewish Zionist organized, crime faction and the Irish Catholic organized crime faction. These two factions, in particular, have given the Anglo American establishment great difficulties. Currently, I surmise a detente amongst the three. Based in part on economic opportunities inherent in imperial subjugation of the Islamic world and it’s natural resources. The three ethnic groups are engaged in the drive for war in the ME. Their mutual gain from predation on the Muslim world and it’s wealth of natural respources, has an indirect effect on peace between these three intensely ccompetitive
entities.
I, by no means, am defending the Anglo American Eastern Establishment. In fact a good case can be made that they are the worst perps in this “danse macabre” we call current events. Certainly your work on Wasson confirms this.
Thank you for illuminating the Wasson/Elite connection.
Your mention of synchronicity between nuclear weapons and psychedelics is most revealing, and something I thought of just last year: that Leary may have prevented the world from annihilating itself. One good psychedelic experience will turn a soldier into a dud who can never push the button.
So what you have is these elites doing the right thing for the wrong reason, then chasing their tails when their assumptions blow up in their faces. I read Time on my lunch break, so I know crazy these people are. They see themselves as custodians of the Universe. They think they are in charge, but as Obiwan said, “The force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded”.
We are certainly not left to our own devices, and the mad are easily led by the collective unconscious or whatever you want to call it, to do what needs to be done. So when you see the Elite acting crazier than usual, it’s probably because special things are happening on the other side.
Pay closer attention to what I was saying. I was actually reading a quote from Bob Forte, but I’m not so sure that there’s evidence, as Leary just may have been one of them. Most of these Harvard guys are dirty and involved.
But this rosy nonsense that the elites were out trying to do the right thing, or to enlighten and evolve the masses, even for the wrong reasons, is horseshit and there’s nothing to substantiate it what so ever. You don’t uplift a society in any way via secrecy, but only through openness, honesty and integrity. You don’t raise the population up by dumbing down their education system at the same time you’re giving them mushrooms. The two must work together.
The agenda of the elites is ALWAYS to keep themselves in power and to dumb down the masses. Using psychedelics as mind control couldn’t be any easier – especially in a society of people raised without critical thinking and the trivium, and also haven’t seen a war on their own soil for more than 100 years… this type of rosy stuff works weal well… for control… the entire positive thinking meme was for control…
Wasson was friends with Bernays, and it’s clear to me that he’s using these very tactics.
I’ve also got 2nd hand information, a witness, who claims that Leary was working with Wasson and giving him all of his research findings.
You might like this Jan: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/05/RIR-120531.php
Can you explain why this is relevant?
Excellent work Jan! I enjoyed the Podcast very much and admire very much what it took to dig all this up and organize it so well.
In case you may not know, ( and you can affirm with some more digging ) C.D. Jackson ( ‘Life Magazine’ )was former OSS and likely ( for all practical purposes, )current CIA at the time of the Zapruder film deal. Zapruder was in the club from way back also, one way or another, either a long time and priveldged ‘friend’ of the Company and or an outside long term contractor and what not of the Network also.
So many of these players had multiple affiliations and allegiances and loyalties and flexibilities to favor varied interests, of course.
Life Magazine was OSS ( then CIA ) owned ( or controlled anyway,).
If you had said as much in the Podcast and I missed it, please pardon me.
Hey Jan, this is way off topic but it popped into my head suddenly. A while back, did I hear you say, in regard to speed-reading, that iit is possible to read a sentence at a time and even a whole page?? Was it you or perhaps I heard it elsewhere. Perhaps, with all this mushroom talk, I am hallucinating, lol!
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/tragedyandhope/StevenSnyder_SpeedReading.pdf
Thanks Jan, you are the man. I’ll check it out; did it work for you or do you just know of it?
Thanks again for the link and your work in general.
Thanks & Keep It Coming! Enough with the lame mind control schemes! These ghouls couldn’t even cover their tracks properly, it’s insulting…
The joke’s on them… They gambled with things they could never know… (sardonic laughter)
On the whole they failed, and maybe saved some lives from being wasted (in attempted revolutions) in the process. The idea that psychedelics undermined a real social and political movement assumes that such a movement had a chance in the first place.
Western society was infantile in the 50s, it is in the adolescent phase now. For some the psychedelics allowed them to grow up a bit more but on a mass scale it’s hard to see any effect apart from some great art and music that came of it.
Most extraordinary, Mr. Irvin. Happy Trails to you.
A nicely connected series and looking forward to the documentary.
I feel everything is spot on and obviously taken seriously without trying
to make a new hero or icon out of the deal. All events in LIFE and other huge
publications should all be supsect knowing the control factors now, that were
involved and programmed for select consumption action.
When you have grass roots neighbours and friends doing great things and being ignored
by the commerc-shallow world and barely scraping by, it’s something to take note.
Why should it be a simple coincidence some guy connected with huge banks, and huge
investment holders of both assets and physical property on earth,have some sort of eureka
or warm heart to show the newly connected world (TV fairly recent) some new spiritual
miracle. Why is he held as a hero when you or someone you know/knew gets huge fines
or locked away for growing Psilocybe species? I’m glad people are struggling with this in the comments. It shows their programme worked but it shows it is also crumbling. These scoundrels have been self appointed heros for too long now. Speaking from experience I Have held some of these old psychedelic stories in contrast with my own and the fantastical aspect imprinted through pop culture,especially music for me it’s hard not to understand why we have held some of these old tales as something great. When someone questions how outlandish Wasson is connected with the Kennedy story, it can be a good time to see the whole picture even clearer that the circle of deceit is indeed from a very small clan. Mind boggling small, for the control they impose on Earth. Peace Jan.
I’ve just got an abiding interest in this stuff. I’m interested in it from two angles. One, I’m a psychonaut and have gone as deep as I can with the mushrooms and related things money and availability permitting. But number two, I’ve always been interested in conspiratorial takes on history. I don’t believe in the single bullet theory, or that Richard III killed his nephews or a lot of consensus stuff. I am intrigued and I’m hoping to read your work, putting it alongside classics by Peter Dale Scott and all those people. I have to say, I’m not coming away from what I’ve seen so far convinced that psychedelia is so totally in the control of the CIA and the east coast WASP financial establishment. I don’t doubt that they unleashed a lot of it deliberately in order to sabotage the possibility of a left revolt in the sixties. But just like the way gas warfare was introduced in combat, once these things are out in the open, you no longer can control what happens with them. McKenna is correct that psychedelics are corrosive of systems of control. But systems of control are like programmed robots. You can take a Marxian analysis, a PoMo analysis, a James Selby Downard analysis or whatever you want, there are systems of control created around oligarchies that themselves mutate over time, but they’re always being confounded by new events, and often undone by the mess they themselves have created. Thanks to you for giving us the meat behind Gordon Wasson’s involvement in the whole thing. It’s very edifying and useful to have the raw data.
Excellent research Jan. You’re not the only person who has stumbled upon a lot of these connections. I came upon it while researching the The American Society for Psychical Research, trying to pin down who was trying to squeeze PKD. Keep up the good work.
listen to this quick 10 minute video that expresses some of this research, although he definitely draws some more extreme conclusions about it.. (just bear through the first minute or so, it gets good)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKzuzjjCro
Thanks, King.
I’m interested in what you have found, because, as you’ll see in my Database that I’ve just released (see the Red Ice or Frater X shows for the links) you’ll see that I traced this right up there.
I’ve got some extreme conclusions as well.
That brain is pretty amazing! I think you have all the material to write one hell of a best seller.. and for some reason you’re giving it away. I wish I had the time and wordsmith skills to grab the baton and run with it.. don’t worry someone will.
If you haven’t read John Coleman’s work then check it out. Not all of his stuff is as grounded in solid document research as your own, but you’ll find a lot of overlap between your brain-map and his. He puts Aldous Huxley sitting directly in this Committee of 300 group:
http://i.imgur.com/2VFtd.gif
keep up the good work and don’t stop talking about the trivium
I’m new to this subject and curious. But after listening to this man speak on Redice Radio as well as about half of this podcast I can’t really understand what he is getting at. A general overview of what his arguments and conclusions are at the beginning would really help. It sounds like some guy with lots of shady connections wrote an article about mushrooms in the ’50s. This alone is why the psychedelic movement is a “psyop” used for unknown purposes. What is it for? My experience with psychedelics shows me that it cuts through the bullshit of the state and makes it seem extrodinarily silly. Encouraging people to try them seems counter productive to the MAN’s agenda. Anyway if this stuff was presented in an essay format it would be easier to understand. As is stands it sounds like rambling.
Exactly how are the connections shady? Which citations have you reviewed? Did you study the database in the Red Ice interview? How was it a psyop for “unknown purposes” when this was clearly discussed? You did listen, didn’t you? You did hear me list the university archives and read from the quotes directly no? So what’s shady? If you’d cite something specific, then we could maybe have an intelligent connection about it. But just because you’re new and haven’t done your research and reading yet bears nothing on the quality or merit of my work.
I suggest you study the material around here, because I, like you, was once a victim to the belief that psychedelics can only be used for good. Listen a few more times to this episode and the 3 radio interviews on this where the information is all laid out, go through the citations yourself and check them before you decide what value they are. In other words, try to put your research before your conclusions.
Because what I’m getting at, is if my research is correct, then your ass is mind controlled and you’ve fallen pray to a psy-op – a continuation of MKULTRA – and this is not “blowback”. And none of you who come here regurgitating this same argument over and over, covered many times already in the comments below before you, have yet been able to show any of the citations wrong.
And maybe if you actually read the introduction of the show, especially the part in RED, you’d see where it says to download the transcript. At the beginning of the episode it also provided this information. So I’m in question as to whether you listened or looked or did anything at all before you commented, making your kill the messenger and appeal to ridicule fallacies. But since you seem anxious, and unable to read the intro, I’ll relink it here for you.
But if you listen more carefully, you’ll see that each and every point you raise was already covered in depth… so please pay attention and spare me the needless replies.
Again, here’s the transcript file that you overlooked at the top of the page: https://www.gnosticmedia.com/txtfiles/GordonWasson_TheMan_TheLegend_TheMyth_byJanIrvin.pdf
Here’s the information for the brain database for you to follow along. The research and citations are provided throughout. Do read them before you judge them. It’s just common sense.
Jan’s Online Brain database:
http://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-4411
Download the Brain software:
http://www.thebrain.com
Download Jan’s entire Brain database file:
https://www.gnosticmedia.com/Wasson/InvestigatingWassonBrain-MK-ULTRA.brainzip (170mb)
Note: For use in the software version only (this version is the best, clearest representation of the database and the easiest to follow and research). This version must be IMPORTED into the Brain software after installation.
http://www.gordonwasson.com
Related programs
Jan Irvin – Trivium Education
Jan Irvin – The Holy Mushroom
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120809.php
The deception of squiggly lines. Third party rhetoric.
How is truth derived from such nonesense.
Critical thinking should demonstrate the function of the squiggly line on paper is to spread falsehood.
Controlled and written in seclusion by exclusion. Made popular by the printing press which gave rise to its propagation as a carrier of truth.
It’s use allows one to shut away the critical senses and be captured in the printed web.
To me this essay is fine, as a spoken word piece however, I would have preferred a second party
to conduct this in an interview format.
My reason is the movement between first party quotes and those sighted second and third party quotes does not have set up between them.
It’s as though you are reading a list.
If you need a second party, listen to one of the other 3 interviews already posted on this site with others interviewing me on exactly this, and then you don’t need to take up my time whining about it here.
There is a transcript at the top of the page that you may download and has all of the notes, since you seem to get confused with squiggly lines.
Calling things nonsense because you’re unable to spend a few moments studying bears nothing on the research. Use the trivium and the critical thinking tools we’ve provided here and go through and fact check the citations, connections and squiggly lines. It’s common sense really – if you look and study before you judge. As the essay says, who what where and when before why.
Thanks.
I may be confusing what you’re saying.. you’re saying that critical thinking should reveal that squiggly lines, maybe you mean letters, spread falsehood. Well if you go through the trivium material that we’ve discussed often here, we show exactly how to spot fallacies in what people write so that you don’t fall pray to those falsehoods. Critical thinking and logic shows you how to think clearly, not to stop using words.
I use my logic in first person. Relying on squiggly lines controlled by some elite entity and thinking you’ve derived truth is not the trivium.
It can be demonstrated, you yourself and in conjuction with others have explored and exposed the system
of education as a form of propoganda, conditioning, and indoctrination.
I’ve heard you say “history is written by the victors”, not your personal words, but rather a sentiment shared and spoken by many.
Yet you assume usefull knowledge can be gained from these controlled lies.
What is in front of you, do you not see.
In front of me I see billions of people’s. Their lands invaded and as consolation they are given a book.
Their language, customs, traditions, history, and stories of their lands destroyed.
The commons held and respected by the jurisdictional residence are made commodity and sold off to
the educated, thinking westerner.
The westerner justifies this parasitic behavior through written squiggly lines upon paper. Never looking up from the page to realize the injustice being commited.
For all the reality around the westerner, it is still the word on paper that is their truth.
EXCERPT FROM “BARDO” MATERIAL (SECTION 16):
Nov 15th 2010 Mon
MORE NEW WORLD ORDER PROPOGANDA FROM THE SO-CALLED GRASS-ROOTS PSYCHEDELIC SAVE-THE-EARTH MOVEMENT
Ok, so i did a little writeup on Michiu Kaku and his sci-fi terrorist propaganda, if you are not for type1 New World Order Fascist Dictatorship then you are a terrorist bulls##t (pm- once again, pathetic!). We also did a little writeup on Terrence McKinna’s Timewave. Which is still being utilized, for some strange reason. Perhaps it’s the fascination with hexagonally embedded maths, dunno. Consider CHESSBOARDS to be a more accurate coding (pm- See: Barbara Marciniack’s book entitled “Path of Empowerment” or what is previous in this material for more on that one). But back to TERRENCE. For a fellow who was so “open minded” and on the fringe of anti-estabishment pro-shamanism/psychedelia, one has to REALLY DIG DEEP through tons of his material and video footage to find some of his “unhindered pro-illuminatus (NWO) propoganda”. And dig though i have, since about the age of 19. It’s taken a good 18 years to realise this fellow was not as FREE YOURSEVES AND YOUR MINDS AS HE WOULD LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE (p- oooh am i gonna take some SLAMS for saying this from all the DIEHARDS i’ve known thoughout the years, on with it, eat my dust).
There are 2 video examples in particular. One is called “Prague Gnosis” with an interview with some woman (forget her name), where she is bumbling on and on about how the arts need to be promoted. Ok, sure, that is well and fine. She also bumbles on about the terms and words Terrence uses and is renowned for with really no knowledge of their meanings, she just applies them to anything she is saying. In all actuality, i think she is mentally challenged, or should i say, mentally retarded, literally… nothing against that, but needs to be noted. Meanwhile, in the midst of these two drinking fancy coffees and nibbling on flakey fluffy cakes she starts to blurt out that the change in this world is the next step in Terrence’s Eschaton ideal… and that one of those steps is how THE NEW WORLD ORDER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES PROMOTE THIS ESCHATONAL ART MOVEMENT. She jabbers on of representatives from all over the globe conglamorating at New World Order “United Nations” meetings bringing in this new Shamanic Paradime. Terrence continues sipping away. Well, sorry for all you Terrence Enthusiasts, i beg to differ your support of this fellow, for if he was AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS AS HE SO CLAIMED, THEN HE WOULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED THIS PROPOGANDA IN HIS VIDEOS. He simply would have EDITED IT OUT, yet he did not, therefore he DOES IN FACT PROMOTE THESE AGENCIES. Next up, his video called “Taxonomy…”. Apparently he questioned the “mushroom” what it would take to “save the world” (pm- whatever THAT means)… and, by George, out he mumbles that the Mushroom says to ENFORCE A 1 CHILD POILICY WORLDWIDE AND THAT THERE WILL BE GOVERNMENT REWARDS FOR THOSE WHO DO SUCH A POLICY. I thought Terrence was against the System, but he sure denies that anyone actually exists at the top, and claims that NO ONE ACTUALLY RUNS THE PLANET… all fine and good, yet he is promoting practically all of the PROTOCOLS OF THESE AGENCIES. For a government he claims has no one in control running the show, he sure as hell tells everyone to live by their policies. Hey, dead Terrence, here’s one for you about the “population problem”… everybody SPREAD OUT and GROW MORE FOOD. Seems enough room now.
Now, we have his still living brother Dennis working for the Rothschild’s Science Division in their Psychedelic Studies upon willing subjects. Yes, Rothschild’s. EXACTLY WHERE MK-ULTRA LEFT OFF!!! SAME PROJECT BUT NOW UNDER A NEW NAME AND LOCATION. MK-ULTRA! ANY OF YOU RECALL THAT ONE? THE SAME ONE THAT DOSED ABDUCTED CHILDEREN (P- some even taken from public schools, entertainment parks, and even handed over from parents… the MILK CARTON KIDS, any of you remember THAT ONE? didn’t think so. It’s still very much in operation, ONLY THIS TIME WE HAVE WILLING PARTICIPANTS) STRAPPED TO CHAIRS AND BEDS ON L.S.D. WHILE RUNNING WALT DISNEY FLICKS IN FRONT OF THEM (PM- trained agents, assasins, sex kittens for political blackmail and the likes). WHELP, THIS IS EXACTLY WHOM DENNIS MCKENNA IS WORKING FOR NOW. SAME AGENCY. YOU KIDS RUNNING AROUND (PM- AND SOME OF YOU EX-HIPPIES) HAD BETTER WAKE UP TO THE REALITY OF THIS SITUATION AND GET SOBER ENOUGH TO REALIZE YOU HAVE BEEN CONNED BIG TIME WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR SO-CALLED “WE TAKE THIS BECAUSE IT EXPANDS OUR CONSCIOUSNESS” JIVE-TALK!!! By all means, explore your various senses, but i am not accepting EXCUSES. Those are your EXCUSES, and nothing more. I am sick and tired of seeing all of these kids online posting themselves FRYING THEIR BRAINS (IN THE EXTREME SENSE OF THE WORD) AND CLAIMING IT IS “EXPANDING THEM” AND REPEATING EVERY PUNCHLINE AND SLOGAN BY THIS TERRENCE MCKINNA FELLOW WITH NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY ARE EVEN SAYING. Remember Timothy Leary from the 60’s? Same funding, same agenda (p- the peace symbol was also designed for this scam). These kids were everywhere going “turn on. tune in. drop out.”. Not much of a FREEDOM REVOLUTION, CONSIDERING THEY WERE LAYED OUT FLAT AND THE PRIVATE BANKSTER ELITES HAD THE GENERATION EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANTED THEM!!!
I am not saying i am totally against alterations of consciousness through “intake”. But there ARE OTHER WAYS. And, sometimes… it just happens. Mind you, once it BECOMES A CRUTCH OR REFUSAL TO ADDRESS YOURSELF (pm- although many “claim” intake addresses such things, and IN SOME CASES “IT DOES”) YOU ARE GOING DOWN A SELF-DESTRUCTIVE RABBIT HOLE. And one will HAVE TO LEARN FROM THAT AS WELL, that is, if you have not become INCAPACITATED THROUGH IT. In other words, do not claim you are HAVING A SACRED RESPECT FOR THESE REALMS WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE ABUSING IT!
I am finished with ths entry, more information on the NEW LOCATION OF MK-ULTRA MIND SCIENCES DIVISION TO COME. Just to back this up, i will attempt to provide a list of WHO IS WORKING IN THIS DIVISION AS WELL AS WHO IS FUNDING IT. ROCKEFELLOR FOUNDATION IN OTHER WORDS, THAT MUCH WE ALREADY KNOW.
So all you old buddies, so about this entry, but i am NOT SORRY, IT NEEDS TO BE SAID. Not sorry to shed SOME LIGHT on your top-10 hitlist of ICONS.
+P-
BARDO? MOKSHA!!!
8:28PM
Thanks. I agree with most of what you said. Rothschild… that’s a very interesting connection. I’ll have to go back through and look into that.
EXCERPT 2 FROM “BARDO” MATERIAL:
Nov 16th 2010 tues 1:49am
A REPLY TO THE PREVIOUS TERRENCE MCKENNA ENTRY
P= OTHER PERSONS REACTION.
A= PHIL’S REPLY TO THE REACTION.
P: I am fully aware of propaganda phil, i just dont think you understand the difference between someone who ignorant of the NWO like this physcist (KAKU) and people who are knowingly deceiving people.
A: If they are ignorant of their propoganda then they are as guilty as those who do it knowingly. Of course i am aware that the ignorants are PROMOTED. that is obvious.
P: If you are part of a secret government running the government you dont have propaganda people who lie, you get people who believe what they say, its much more convincing that way.
A: exactly. i agree. but they also drop in those who lie through their teeth, it’s ALL THEY KNOW HOW TO DO, they contain no truth whatsoever.
P: theres a saying “you dont know youre wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day”
As for Terrence, I am still no where near convinced just because he cares about the enivironment means he is illuminati?
A: he is not illuminati. not himself. of course not. but he was promoted through false grass roots movements. and i stress FALSE. not all of the events. some of them. and yes i feel he believed in what he promoted. and some of it fell by the wayside as he was too self indulged to notice it going on.
P: ok he was organized by grass roots enivironmentalists, do you know what grass roots means?
A: yes i do.
P: It means non hierarchical, from the people, there was no leader so there could be no illuminati influence, it wasnt corporate or government, most environmental things and raves are like this because its these people who care about the government, not the illuminati, they are the ones who trashed the planet.
A: that’s what it is yes, thanks for reminding me. i haven’t forgotten.
P: it was just people in their towns who like terrence and wanted him there.
A: for the MOST PART.
P: Did you miss the part about how he is totally contrary to all government and corporate values?
A: that’s what he believes he was, yes.
(PM-ADDITIONAL: NOT IN CORRESPONDANCE- HE WAS NOT CONTRARY, WATCH HIS VIDEOS VERY VERY CLOSELY AND SEE FLAT OUT HOW HE PROMOTES THEIR PROTOCOLS AND CLAIMS TO BE AGAINST GOVERNMENT AT THE SAME TIME. Also: NWO also utilizes any form of distraction individuals who do not even make political statements, for example, in the music industry and films, they research what’s popular, or invent it, and that group or individual is used for the time being within that agenda. Hollywood stars are a good example.)
P: You think they put him out there to say 95% stuff that is really harmful to their agenda so that he could mention the one child policy a few times?
A: no, for more reasons than that. remember Timothy Leary?
P: Mention that he doesnt believe in one secret government, as if that is why people actually listen to him. I know how propaganda mixes truth with lies but mckennas message is clearly doing more damage to the NWO then good.
A: no, not with all of these kids dosing up extensively and very very often in large amounts, no, sorry….
P: It doesnt make any sense man.
A: it makes perfect sense.
P: You also seem to be really ignorant about the state of the environment, that anyone who cares about it is just an illuminati mind controlled sap.
A: i have not mentioned what i feel the state of the environment is at, so you cannot assume what i believe the state of the envirnment is in. what is enforced by the governments in order to “save the environment” will NOT SAVE THE ENVIRONMENTS, THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT. i do not believe anyone who cares is illuminati controlled, obviously that’s what you perceive of me, totally not the way it is. let me clarify: anyone who proposes AGENDA 21 U.N. to “save the environment” is mislead and is a mind controlled sap (p- a MCS or a MIKOSA for short, also known as a MINCONSAP).
P: Why do you think the illuminati cares about the environment
A: they don’t. never said they actually did, i assumed you knew that i knew it was a SCAM. but they use the real and also truped-up environmental issues as a means of enforcing dictatorship. carbon taxes, and a whooooole lot of gammit of other charges to private farming and it’s a very long list…. all in the name of the environment, disasters included. and if you don’t pay up… then off to jail with you, land seized and all the rest. this is basic stuff, everybody’s talking about it these days. if i thought they cared why would i be filming chemtrail videos? i want that footage in A COURT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AS EVIDENCE.
P: , just because they love to kill people
A: love has nothing to do with it. or should i say… lack of love.
P: and are using it as a cover or something?
A: some areas are a cover. others ARE BLATANTLY IN OUR FACE.
P: If thats what it was about they would of released some kind of germ weapon a long time ago
A: the germ weapons are already released and will continue to be released.
.P: They dont really care about the environment anyways
A: you got it!!!!!
P: i dont know why you are defending big oil bussiness’s and heavy industry
A: never have i EVER defended these corps. tell me 1 single time i have. you are pulling shit out of your ass.
P: they are the real illuminati man.
A: and The Man he IS NOT.
P:You seem to be locked into a certain kind of reality
A: you too. i would appear to be when people see what they want to see, and not as it really is.
P: and anyone who disagress with you
A: anyone? this is just you and me man, hardly accounts for anyone who crosses my path. please give me an example of someone else (how defensive i have become). you misunderstood my point, so you didn’t really disagree with me, you disagreed on what you assumed was my belief. you assumed what i believed, when in fact we had the identical opinion of something and you claimed i believed something different than you. but what i believed different than you will in no way be realized at this point, unless of course we take into consideration what you stated earlier, and i quote: “i just don’t think you understand the difference between someone who is ignorant of the NWO like this physicist and people who are knowingly deceiving people”. they are IN FACT UNKNOWINGLY doing so, that is what i was pointing out to you. you missed that. and you already knew it. so do i.
P: is seen as stupid
A: define stupid.
P: or mind controlled.
A: i think it’s well time we all BROKE OUT of it
(END…)
have a good one over there (PM- it’s TOO LATE for the last second SWEET TALK Phil, the damage has been done).
stay away from them MINCONSAPS
or at least, wake them up if they are ready for it…
Bardo? MOKSHA!!!
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SO THERE’S A REACTION FROM A TERRENCE MCKENNA FAN (may or may not represent all of them). APPARENTLY BECAUSE I REVEAL FACTS THAT TERRENCE AND HIS BROTHER DENNIS ARE PROPOGANDA OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND POST-TAVISTOCK DIVISIONS SOMEHOW MAKES ME “A DEFENDER OF BIG OIL BUISNESS’S AND HEAVY INDUSTRY”!
Is this the typical psychedelic self-proclaimed “anarchist” punk-rocker who takes-a-shower-once-every-2-months reaction?Or is this a “provocature” effort aimed at me? Or, is this one saying the opposite of what they mean and being sarcastic? Some people can’t tell when others are ONLY JOKING.
Still not convinced are you? How about i just TAKE YOU DIRECTLY TO IT!!!
I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY TO TERRENCE MCKENNA’S VIDEO ENTITLED: “EDUCATION IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER”!!! I MEAN, HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED? this video is truely PATHETIC, and Terrence’s true being really shows, it’s the perfect example of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY. This video IS BLATANT FASCISM! I suggest you terrence followers take a good look at this video, for certain THE TITLE OF IT ALONE SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SEE IT DIRECT! There is no debate at this point.
Can’t find that SOLID PROOF? It’s right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlOUSLAwMJ8&feature=related
there you go, we can stop arguing now. this isn’t about who is correct here, this is about THE FORMS OF PROPOGANDA from individuals who would seem the least likely TO PROPOGATE IT!!!.
You can follow your psychedelic fascist gurus, or you can FIND YOURSELF THROUGH YOUR OWN INNER KNOWING along with HARD INFORMATION YOU SHOULD INCORPORATE INTO DISSOLVING WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU BELIEVED IN!
“Terence McKenna — Educatio…”
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Here it is… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Y5SR_r7vY
One I hadn’t heard… amazing..
Hi Jan,
Great stuff! You know you can trace all of this back much further in history. This video does an excellent job of highlighting it, starting at around the 4 minute mark. It discusses the Tavistock institute and where they originally learned about pushing psychedelics on cultures for mind control purposes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdDUEDuc5Q
I enjoyed listening to this very much. Thank you for uncovering this stuff. I’ve had my fair share of psychedelics and this is information is extremely fascinating. Definitely going to be keeping a close eye on this website.
Hi Jan,
Just curious if you will, at some point in the future, put the original documents that you are basing this research on as a downloadable archive? One, so we can delve deeper and two, to ensure this stuff is retrievable in case the documents are lost, stolen, destroyed, etc.