Aired April 12-13, 2016. Elizabeth joins Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill to discuss Woodstock, Pan Worship, Burning Man and the Pandemonium created by these philosophies.
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I went to B Man in around ’91 by “accident” – didn’t know what it was I just wanted to see a desert. It was small and I would guess under 500 people. So may be this was before it was a festival? It seem harmless, although annoying, all posturing, with a lot of arrogance. I couldn’t bear the thought of ever going back. Being that it was so small – I didn’t imagine this was anything but a bunch of jerky people with fixed incomes trying to appeal to each other as earth goddesses (when in fact they were unfriendly, bitchy women for the most part). Did the trust funder/art crowd in N. Cali… find a way (once again!) to make a ton of money off the poorer middle class by making it “something” when it was nothing but dirt, wood and matches? Then, as always, a few years into it with a revised spreadsheet, they run home to mommy and daddy for a bigger summer allowance, who then called their friends in the media to hype it so the mid-class would think they would be high-class if they were invited to spend too much money for tickets. Once that was all fully established –then you know who shows up to weaponize it and make a bigger profit. So I ask as a one time only attendee: was it co-opted as it got popular? Maybe these things start out innocuous, albeit a con.
Still run by the same people.. same agenda since day one.
Has anyone looked into Elephantine island in Egypt as the source of the goat head / baphomet? The god Khnum, which was a ram headed god, had a temple there, near a Jewish temple. “The Jews had their own temple to Yahweh[1] evincing polytheistic beliefs, which functioned alongside that of Khnum.[2]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri
I recall reading somewhere that Khnum and baphomet are closely related https://www.google.com/#q=khnum+baphomet&newwindow=1
considering how the jews became fascinated with Egyptian mysticism, where the kaballah was taken from https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=ka+ba+and+akh+kabbalah
and how the Crowleyites are so fascinated with it as well, it’s more than likely that baphomet is out of Egypt.
Thanks for the tip!
something i overlooked – http://www.landofpyramids.org/banebdjedet.htm
Fact 1 on Banebdjedet aka Baphomet:
The god of fertility, the “Ba of the Lord of Mendes” was depicted with the head of a type of ram that was once common in ancient Egypt but is now extinct…The ram-headed god Khnum was the equivalent god in Upper Egypt.
Fact 8 on Banebdjedet:
The Greek historian Herodotus, due to a translation error, referred to Banebdjedet as ‘The goat of Mendes’. He described the god being was depicted with a goat’s face and legs. Herodotus then goes on to relate how all male goats were held in great reverence by the people of Mendes, and how in his time a woman publicly copulated with a goat. Herodotus also stated that they called both the god Pan and the goat Mendes.
Fact 9 on Banebdjedet:
The Greeks therefore changed the name from Banebdjedet to Mendes and referred to the ram as a goat.
Fact 10 on Banebdjedet:
Pan and Mendes (the Greek name for Banebdjedet) were both were worshipped as gods of fertility and fecundity, meaning fruitfulness. Pan is represented in Egypt by the painters, just as he is in Greece, with the face and legs of a goat.
Fact 11 on Banebdjedet:
According to E. A. Wallis Budge “At several places in the Delta, e.g. Hermopolis, Lycopolis, and Mendes, the god Pan and a goat were worshipped”
Very strange sculpture of Pan with a goat (beastiality).
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n01.jpg
Food4Thought……………Who is Baphomet?…………………http://gnosticwarrior.com/who-is-baphomet.html
“Some people will live a lie, while others who live the truth will NEVER DIE!” quote by Moe Bedard on gnostic warrior. wow. Do you know Moe?
Unfortunately. He promotes the likes of Santos Bonacci, and is against critical thinking and the trivium method. How does telling the truth mean you’ll never die? I don’t get it. Yet, he spreads lies all over his website, including slander on me.
There’s a very curious and persistent omission at root in this ongoing period critique of so-called 60’s counter-culture. Every time I hear Joe use the term ‘debasement’ I wonder what exactly is the implied reference ‘base’ from which the presumable target victims are being dislodged or removed. Debasement implies something superior or noble from which one is forced lower into destruction and death.
It isn’t as if the entirety of western culture is somehow exempt from corrupting influences. Every other segment of which is regarded as mainstream is ultimately contributive to malevolence and ultimately destructive even that of high culture that presumes itself as something redeeming as utopian perfected order. The epitome of that distortion is perhaps in the expressed quotation by J. Robert Oppenheimer of the Bhagavad Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and, to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, ‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.’
Multi-armed, as it were, is the unavoidable observation of scope and multi-dimensions of corruption that permeate human reality. Nothing is more rational than physics, yet it, too, enabled the most terrifying and nightmarish expression of violent human folly. Indiscriminate incineration and vaporization as political statement by high culture.
So, how that compares to ‘burning man’ as ritual killing is only a matter of style and scope. One of wholly rational, scientific origin, the other of the dark mythic mystic, both achieving the same darkened end differing only in scope, scale and pretense of human existential understanding. How about an insightful bit of Ecclesiastes to qualify the very idea of relative debasement:
All Is Vanity
1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun?
4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.
7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
8 All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
So, while it’s amusing to watch this investigative authority presume to piece together a cultural puzzle a half century past, albeit an indictment largely by means of circumstance, innuendo and guilt by association presumably of consciously evil intent by scores of adventuring ‘artists’ caught up in a dissenting cultural movement arguably no more or less frail than that from which it purportedly disagreed, it apparently has no place to rest to be taken seriously because there’s no definitive base from which it allegedly fell in the first place.
Thanks for the mere mention of Sandy Hook without a moment of silence for fictitious deaths of equally fictitious children and their fictitious families. God only knows that the dark musical rituals of Woodstock likely at least killed at least someone real from an OD.
Also, btw, Stewart Air Force base was where 9/11 flights AA11 & UA175 converged @ 8:16AM, maybe landed, and traded transponder signatures w/AF drones that then continued to NYC consistent with the DIA Northwoods plan from 1962. So, lets keep it in the 60’s, eh?
If you deny that there’s a debasement of society, you’re either a fool or part of the sick elite.
It would be nice if you deal with the actual facts presented, addressing them point by point, rather than pontificating fallacious nonsense to sound intelligent.
It wasn’t a show on Sandy Hook, either.
Also, please show what, exactly, with our over 100 shows presenting all of the facts, exactly how it’s circumstance, innuendo, and guilt by association. At least have the intelligence to go through the database and check each citation and fact on it’s own, rather than claiming such things without presenting an iota of evidence to back your own claims. Attack our extensive work over many years on this subject, but then don’t present a single quote or citation to show how something we presented is wrong. How dumb can you get? Sit down and shut up.
Fallacious nonsense, Jan? I’d be happy to entertain your opinion about exactly what it is that I said that’s fallacious. Why not cite something specific to the questions that I pose if you’re so honest, objective and open to discussion?
How disingenuous of you as an ostensible defender of open dialog to censor a critical reply to your use inappropriate invective laced response and childish egotism? Disagreement is one thing, but this is unworthy and very disappointing
You can liberally dish it out criticism as well as innuendo but can’t take anyone pointing out your own inconsistencies and hypocrisy, can you?
Control issues much, Jan?
“One of The Grateful Dead’s best-known songs is “Uncle John’s Band.” According to songwriter Robert Hunter, the Uncle John of the title is musician, ethnomusicologist and filmmaker John Cohen, who was born in Queens and raised on Long Island, and who was one of the original folk revivalists, forming the New Lost City Ramblers with Mike Seeger”
Read more: http://forward.com/culture/310778/the-secret-jewish-history-of-the-grateful-dead/#ixzz46Ir5WnbK