Turning the Tables – On the Huxleys, Gordon Wasson, Terence McKenna, Esalen, Psychedelics, 2012 & Mind Control – #151

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A video explaining my latest short article on “How Darwin, Huxley, and the Esalen Institute launched the 2012 and psychedelic revolutions — and began one of the largest mind control operations in history.”

This video is the first to reveal the background origins of the Esalen institute through Aldous and Julian Huxley, both grandson’s of Charles Darwin’s “Bulldog” Sir. Thomas Henry Huxley. The Huxleys helped found the Esalen institute to promote Julian Huxley’s eugenics, humanism, transhumanism and feminism to manipulate middle class Americans into following their agenda through psychedelics and the new age movement.

This is not to say that psychedelics or entheogens don’t have value, it just means that devious people have usurped them and created a false movement to fool people into thinking that they’ve completed their task of freeing their minds.

This video exposes one more bump in the road on our path to freedom and enlightenment.

References:

My papers on Wasson and Darwin, Huxley, McKenna, etc, for those interested in what my claims actually are, may be read here:

“Magic Mushrooms and the Psychedelic Revolution: Beginning a New History” – or “The Secret History of Magic Mushrooms” by Jan Irvin – #144
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/magic-mushrooms-and-the-psychedelic-revolution-beginning-a-new-history-or-the-secret-history-of-magic-mushrooms-by-jan-irvin-144-2/

How Darwin, Huxley, and the Esalen Institute launched the 2012 and psychedelic revolutions – and began one of the largest mind control operations in history.
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/how-darwin-huxley-and-the-esalen-institute-launched-the-2012-and-psychedelic-revolutions-and-began-one-of-the-largest-mind-control-operations-in-history/

MAAFA 21 – on eugenics and Planned Parenthood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7b9Lio416s

Online Brain investigation database:
Investigating Wasson Brain – MK-ULTRA and the launching the psychedelic and environmental movements

Download the Brain software (Windows/Mac/Linux):
www.thebrain.com

Download the entire Brain investigation database file:
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/Wasson/InvestigatingWassonBrain-MK-ULTRA.brainzip (210mb)

How to install and use the database: For use in the software version only (this version is the best, clearest representation of the database and the easiest to follow and research). This version must be IMPORTED into the Brain software after installation. Once the importation is complete, the software will attempt to ask you for a username and password to log into the server. Click “Do not connect to a server”. A window will pop up and ask “If you do not connect to a server, you will not be able to put your Brains online nor sync between computers. Are you sure you don’t want to connect?” Select the check-box “Always do this” and then click “Do Not Connect”. You will be brought to a window showing the available “Investigating Wasson Brain” – double click and you’re now in the database viewing the information.

How to view the information in the database:

Connections Above each data point are things that influence that data point: Such things can be parents, or organizations like the CIA, or fraternities, employers, etc. Below each data point are things that the data point created or influenced – such as children, books they authored, programs they started or directed, company’s they ran or directed, or people they had serious influence over, etc. To the far left are friends and associates of each data point and leads to related information. To the far right are 3rd hand investigative leads that are pulled up by the other related entries in the data base. On the bottom of the screen, if not minimized, will show citations, links, videos and other information relating to that data point and how it relates to the others around it. If you don’t find the citation there, usually a quick online search will be all you need to find the information.


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  112 comments for “Turning the Tables – On the Huxleys, Gordon Wasson, Terence McKenna, Esalen, Psychedelics, 2012 & Mind Control – #151

  1. Ben Steigmann
    September 21, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    I just want to express my gratitude to you and your research – you’re one of the few people I know in the alternative media who I think is genuine, and who is interested in getting at the root of societal problems. That’s why i placed so much energy in my correspondence with you.

    • goatstaog
      September 24, 2012 at 4:39 am

      I was just thinking the same Ben.

    • Ashley Wildman
      September 28, 2012 at 8:29 pm

      I feel exactly the same way.

    • Brandi Bonshire
      September 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm

      Agreed.

  2. Jen Foster
    September 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Are there any connections between Wassen, Darwin family, McKenna, Huxley etc. and Alice Bailey and/or the Lucis Trust?

    • Jan Irvin
      September 21, 2012 at 1:07 pm

      I don’t know, but I’ve been thinking about Baily lately and seeing if there were any connections – such as with Icke.

    • asol
      September 21, 2012 at 3:17 pm

      J. Huxley was involved U.N. as it’s first director-general.

      Lucis is or was operating out of Rockefeller Plaza (866 or 666?), as is the UN. I think it was the publishing wing actually.

      “In 1932,Lucis Trust spawned the group called ‘World Goodwill’, which is presently recognized by the UN as an NGO, and today, Lucis Trust wields enormous power and influence as it sits on the UN’s’Social and Economic Council’. Because of its presence within the UN system, as well as explicitreferences to it and theosophy and Bailey’s writings by former Assistant Secretary General Robert Muller,many have accused the UN of having a New Age ideology and theosophical agenda.”

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/38602331/Deconstructing-Alan-Watt

      “We know they have their meditation room, Rockefeller room of course; we know that he was into theosophy.  And the theosophists also had a place there as well.  Lucis Trust also was in the Rockefeller Plaza, or the UN Plaza I should say.  I’ll go into some of the details on Muller, one of the old guys there and how he’s a top theosophist of the world and the kind of world he envisages coming in.”

      “The World Goodwill group, founded in 1932, has been recognized by the United Nations as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), and is represented during regular briefing sessions for NGOs at the United Nations. The Lucis Trust has consultative status (roster level) with the United Nations Economic and Social Council.[2]”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust

      “At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called “World Goodwill”.”

      http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/lucistrust.html

      “Alice Bailey founded the Lucifer Trust publishing company later renamed Lucis Trust, headquartered in 866 United Nations Plaza

      source: Bailey, Alice. The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. NY (866 United Nations Plaza!): Lucis Publishing Co., 1982.”

      http://mysterybabylon-watch.blogspot.ie/

      I believe Lawrence Rockeller is/was the member of the family involved with cults and you’ll probably have some luck hooking in Barbara Marx Hubbard.

      • Ben Steigmann
        September 21, 2012 at 5:19 pm

        Regarding (Foster) Baily, you may find the following useful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awFW6B98VYc

      • Henk
        September 22, 2012 at 7:44 am

        Thanks for sharing that info about Alan Watt, I suspected he was a spoonfeeder.

        • September 22, 2012 at 12:24 pm

          Don’t be confusing Alan Watt with Alan Watts.

          • Henk
            September 22, 2012 at 3:03 pm

            I’m not confusing them as I’ve been listening to both of them at different times. But I want to read the entire document (only read the first 3 so far) listed above first before I come to a conclusion about him and I spoke to early. The first few pages of that document raise some interesting questions some of which I’ve asked myself as well when I read some of his work. The lack of footnotes/references for example in his Cutting through series is one.

          • Ben Steigmann
            September 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm

            The following is from the moderator of a forum I used to share information at. It should be noted that Alan Watt is a good source of information, however, we should not ignore the following: http://www.outlawjournalism.com/?p=85

          • Henk
            September 23, 2012 at 1:24 am

            Ben that article is filled with fallacies. The only thing that sticks out, is Watt’s plagiarism of Kealey’s work but, down in the comments you will find numerous accounts of people stating ‘Kealey said he has no problem whatsoever people using his papers as a basis for their own work’.

  3. Nopal
    September 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    I found the Eisenhower connections very interesting. His great granddaughter is all about promoting UFO’s, Global Awakening, Gaia Worship, Divine Feminine, Divine Union, Spiritual Oneness, Aliens, Reptilian Agenda, and such. She really goes on about some crazy stuff. All of it is free of logic and reason.

    Look into Laura Eisenhower. She is probably worth checking into in terms of disinformation and misleading people. It is fascinating how whole families promote these agendas. Maybe you could invite her on to your show, haha.

    Thanks Jan for you hard work. I’m truly grateful.

    Nopal

    Here is a link to her rambling on about all of the New Age bs. The audio is not the best but it give a nice slice of the crap she is promoting. By the 20 min mark she has mentioned almost every new age idea there is. How does she live with herself messing with people’s minds this way?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvAbenSFAqU&feature=related

    • Jan Irvin
      September 21, 2012 at 2:58 pm

      I mentioned her in the video briefly. Thanks for the link!

    • asol
      September 21, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      She was on Mark Passio’s podcast recently, I only lasted 15 mins.

    • Ben Steigmann
      September 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      Nopal – regarding some of your commentary, you might find the following insightful: http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/ufos-aliens-and-the-question-of-contact-%E2%98%9E-video/

      • Nopal
        September 21, 2012 at 7:13 pm

        Before I spend nearly 2 hours watching the link, can you tell me what they are pushing here? Any time UFO’s come up many people jump to the conclusion that they must be other worldly and piloted by aliens.

        If planes in the early 1960′s were going mach 5.5 on a regular basis. What kinds of military craft do you think we have now? We have machines that are the shape of cigars that break 10.5 and have no wings. I don’t want to burst your bubble but they are piloted by men.

        If you understand that the military is 50 to 100 years beyond what people are told they have and understand the cover story is aliens, much of the idea that there are visitors from other planets just seems absurd. Consider how Hollywood pushes the idea that any disk shape craft is alien. Or if people see structures on the moon they title the image ‘Aliens on the Moon’. They are jumping to conclusions. These are man made structures and machines. They are cover stories to prevent people from understanding these drives systems for the disk or cigar craft don’t require oil or primitive fuel. If this was admitted publicly people would question the wars all over the planet to control the supply of oil. The wars for oil are a way of controlling the nations of the world and nothing else. There people on this planet with very advanced technology and they are not alien nor did they reverse engineer such machines. The majority of people of in the military are not aware of how advanced technology is in certain sections of the military are. You need to check in to Viktor Schauberger.

        Jan, has already gone over how quantum physics has many problems. Do you think there aren’t people here working with a different physics than the one that is handed to the public? The elite people that run this world are not using the same machines that we are using. Do you think those in power would ever hand what they consider lessor people tools that would allow the over throw of their power? All technology is tested before handed to the public.

        I guess I’m asking is the video you’re wanting me to watch a psy op? Why must we jump to the conclusion that aliens are here or would visit if they could?

        • Ben Steigmann
          September 22, 2012 at 3:02 pm

          The video first looks into military reports as collected by Richard Dolan, then looks into abduction reports as collected by John Mack and others, looks int Dr. Rick Strassman’s research on entities contacted through DMT, looks into Jacques Vallee’s interdimensional hypthesis, and ties this into reports of archonic entities from the esoteric traditions around the world.

          As for problems with Quantum theory, Jan’s source is David Harriman. Harriman does not deny quantum phenomena in his lecture, but he takes issue with the Copenhagen interpretation. Harriman instead advocates the de Broglie-Bohm pilot wave theory.

          I will look into Schauberger.

        • Ashley Wildman
          September 28, 2012 at 8:56 pm

          Nopal i have to agree with you on this considering military tech is at the very least 30 years ahead. I’ve seen a UFO here in a remote region of Australia and i’m more inclined to believe it came from one of the top secret bases they have down here. e.g Pine Gap. Australia is a great place to test these craft as there are vast expanses of land completely devoid of population.

  4. Michael D.
    September 21, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Great production Jan. Goes with your original article well. You must be on to something what with some of the attcks on you recently. Also, thank you for introducing the Trivium to me, I have sone of the books and been practicing this method for well over a year.

    • Jan Irvin
      September 21, 2012 at 10:34 pm

      Thank you, Michael. And I think you’re right.

  5. Steve
    September 22, 2012 at 2:24 am

    I found an interesting little reference in Michael Cremos’ book “Forbidden archaeology”. He states “Even before Darwin published The Origin Of Species, Thomas Huxley had been investigating anatomical similarities between apes and humans. Huxley clashed with Richard Owen, who insisted that human brains had a unique feature- the hippocampus major. At a meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1860, Huxley presented evidence showing that brains of apes had the hippocampus major, thus nullifying a potential objection to the idea that humans had evolved from apelike ancestors. Exuding his usual self confidence, Huxley (Wendt 1972.p71) had written his wife before the British Association meeting:”By next Friday evening they will all be convinced that they are monkeys!” Did Huxley have influenced Darwin??! Cremo then goes on to mention Huxleys book “Mans Place in Nature”

    • Steve
      September 22, 2012 at 2:51 am

      Sorry I should have said: Did Huxley influence Darwin? making him the man behind it all in the first place so to speak? The reference from the Forbidden Archeology book is found on page 3 Part 1 1.1

      • Jan Irvin
        September 22, 2012 at 9:30 am

        Well, all the evidence shows that Huxley at least promoted Darwin. but there seems to be a huge underlying agenda here that is revealed in Huxley’s letter to Orwell discussing the “ultimate revolution”.

        • Steve
          September 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm

          Very interesting indeed! I was glad to hear you mention the Zietgeist movement at the start of the un-program, the idea of surrendering our autonomy to robots etc. and the “Venus Project” never sat well with me! Have you looked into the Transhumanism agenda at all?? Im sure there would be some interesting connections there.

          • Jan Irvin
            September 22, 2012 at 5:08 pm

            Yes, Julian Huxley was the first to ever use the term, and McKenna did a rap called Techno Pagans at History’s End – a very telling title in itself.

          • Steve
            September 22, 2012 at 9:38 pm

            I only just got the brain database working, this is incredible! Everything is connected to everything isnt it… We all have a grasp to a degree on how interwoven and all encompasing this web of theirs is, but seeing it in a more visual way in the database is disturbing! Ill have to check out Techno Pagans at History’s End sounds delightful haha.

          • Alex
            October 11, 2012 at 4:55 pm

            Whoa whoa wait a second here, we all using technology in order for us not to do mundane routines as also a fact technology or science has helped us in many ways ie: RADAR, LASER, screw it can say it with one guys name Nikola Tesla (even though J.P Morgan got his hands there etc… got to watch out for ad homeniem here just saying)

            So yes Science/Technology has helped us no doubt, unless state otherwise happy to hear. Non the less indeed to have Science without The Trivium and The Quadrivium Education does propose certain obstacles. Ok ie Nikola Tesla… Ok let us move away from Tesla and look at Prof. Dan Shechtman source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZRTzOMHQ4s

            Basically had to go through certain logical fallacies, in order to get validated within the Scientific Society which not happy with nor agree.

            Now saying that The Zeitgeist Movement and/or The Venus Project provide us to leave autonomy and leave it to the machine, then we almost replicating Wall-E Pixars Movie here and other aspects of Hollywoods magikal spell rands of conditioning. Again let us not run in MK Ultra and Project America since Pixars got owned by Disney etc… Seems off key cause placing the extended arms of Science and Technology to make things better as a living and taking off mundane task ok for now as a paradigm, but then again we do also exist as Social Biological Machines made of 10 billion or whatever number of cells.

            Sorry to kinda make this off topic had no intentions but had to say something, does a link exist between Jacques Fresco and the institutions that Huxley if recalled properly that got installed?

            Example Buck Minster Fuller meet Jacques Fresco and Jacques Fresco also read the books that Buck Minster Fuller placed out there, so rewind more the vinyl DJ. Now does Buck Minster Fuller have any links to those institutions?

            Most likely but happy to go wrong on this yes, what %? Not sure simple, non the less what comes out of what, who ,what, when, where and why and how people came to their conclusion of their knowledge through observations of things like experiments. Agreeing to what Karen from Girl Says What says at the end of the Podcast that Gnostic Media done with her (if haven’t heard it then please due so complimentary media here).

            So even if Buck Minster Fuller did have influence of some sort of these institutions does that me an we should discredit the works? No. From what can see if anything question it cause he might have a done a mutation or psychosis to change things, thanks for reading and hopefully we can advance this forward.

            Note no hard feelings taken nor given, finding this very therapeutic thanks.

            So yes with new paradigms poping nothing will stay the same psychosis and mutations exist for a reason,

    • Ashley Wildman
      September 28, 2012 at 9:05 pm

      Thanks for sharing Steve, Forbidden Archaeology is on my reading list at the moment.

  6. robert42
    September 22, 2012 at 5:07 am

    Jan, as you note, it’s a fine but crucial distinction (and one that escapes so many people) that the facts of a phenomenon are not the same as the narrative about it that is put forward by its self-styled champions.

    So, for example, your deconstruction of McKenna, or of Christianity, is not a dismissal of the value of magic mushrooms. Similarly, your exposing of the eugenicist agenda of Darwin and the Huxleys, is not a denial of the fact of biological evolution, whether by natural selection or some other mechanism.

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm

      Exactly, Robert. It’s simply because most people won’t read anything and create all of these lies in their heads to satisfy their cognitive dissonance.

    • Ashley Wildman
      September 28, 2012 at 9:07 pm

      Well said robert42. Totally agree.

  7. Jan Irvin
    September 22, 2012 at 9:13 am

    In the future, I’m right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984 novel sheds light on their different ideas

    By Rob King
    UPDATED: 09:05 EST, 7 March 2012

    They were both critically acclaimed writers who were ahead of their time, creating imaginative visions of the future in their novels.

    But an enlightening letter sent by Aldous Huxley to his fellow author George Orwell more than 60 years ago reveals that the two men had very different ideas of how the world would change.

    Huxley’s 1949 letter – the latest addition to a website that collects fascinating missives from the past – praises Orwell for the novel 1984, which offers a terrifying portrayal of a future totalitarian society.

    But the late California-based author – who had coincidentally taught Orwell more than three decades earlier – went on to focus on the differences between Orwell’s vision and that revealed in his own masterpiece.

    ‘My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World’
                                 - Aldous Huxley

    His novel Brave New World, published 17 years before Orwell’s, had foreseen a society characterised by medicated contentment, a widely accepted, eugenics-supported caste system, and a government-enforced obsession with consumerism.

    But Orwell’s novel presented a nightmarish vision and gave birth to the phrases ‘Big Brother’, ‘thought crime’ and ‘double think’, all now commonly used to describe increasing state control.

    The book was later made into a film starring John Hurt, Richard Burton and Suzanna Hamilton.

    In the letter Huxley began by echoing the positive reviews for 1984, telling Orwell ‘how fine and how profoundly important the book is’.

    Going on to focus on the differences between their predictions, however, Huxley wrote: ‘The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it.

    Different visions? The covers of these editions of Orwell’s 1984, left, and Huxley’s Brave New World, use similar imagery
    ‘Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful.

    ‘My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World.’

    The letter was written at Huxley’s California home in October 1949, a few months after the release of Orwell’s book.

    Adaptation: Orwell’s novel was adapted for a film starring John Hurt and Richard Burton

    It has been added to the website Letters of Note, which gathers and posts fascinating letters, postcards, telegrams, faxes, and memos.

    The relationship between the two authors began in 1917, while Huxley was a tutor at Eton and Orwell was a pupil. Huxley taught French.

    Huxley’s other students at Eton included the writer and scholar, Harold Acton.
    ALDOUS HUXLEY’S LETTER IN FULL…

    Wrightwood. California. [This is just a few minutes from me]
    21 October, 1949

    Dear Mr. Orwell,

    It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book.

    It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is.

    May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution?

    The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf.

    The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it.

    Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful.

    My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World.

    I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

    Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government.

    ***Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations.***

    Another lucky accident was Freud’s inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism.

    This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years.

    But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

    Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.

    In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World.

    The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency.

    Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

    Thank you once again for the book.

    Yours sincerely,

    Aldous Huxley

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 9:23 am

      For those who’re able to read between the lines, this “ultimate revolution” is very clear as to what they’re actually discussing.

      • David Llewellyn Foster
        September 24, 2012 at 2:36 am

        Jan, reading between the lines is anything but clear, since it must be entirely subjective and inferential. My reading will therefore differ from yours, simply because there is nothing there to actually comprehend but one’s individual speculative inference derived from whatever cognitive grammar and symbolic logic has been acquired through learning, personal experience, temperament and acculturation. As for the words and the lines themselves, again I commend you to the Joanne Woiak essay, for an intelligent, contextual scholarly discussion of the development and maturation of Huxley’s ideas over his lifetime… http://theburningtree.wikispaces.com/file/view/BNW+Eugenics+Politics+Fiction.pdf.

        • Ryan Vann
          September 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm

          Reading what is written plainly is cause enough for repulsion.

          • David Llewellyn Foster
            September 27, 2012 at 2:26 am

            Thanks for this response Ryan. Jan does a great job but occasionally misses comments that might otherwise be deserving of sober consideration.
            Well said, I completely agree with you; but what I find most disturbing in Huxley’s comments to Orwell in this letter, is his rather feeble resignation; that a de facto “oligarchy,” or ruling elite “will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power…”
            This is really only tacit acceptance of a social inevitability. It is nothing if not the psychology of the slave-victim mentality. So it would seem that Huxley himself had been completely conditioned by a programmed recognition that this was empirical fact, that the only pragmatic solution to this situation would be an ameliorated compromise, not radical change through political reformation or resistance.
            In that respect I think he is a far less important figure than Russell for example, who advocated deep ontological inquiry and moral reflection. If you doubt me, read his lengthy “History of Western Philosophy” among many other titles worthy of intelligent perusal. I may not condone everything Russell approved of, but I have read enough of his very substantial works not to listen to superficial opinions based on the flimsiness of sophist de-contextualised sampling of his writings. Russell was a leading thinker who needs careful study and mature intellectual absorption. The same is true of other giants of the C20th like Whitehead and William James, and Aleister Crowley. If we drink, we should drink deeply from that “Pierian Spring!”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierian_Spring

          • Ryan Vann
            September 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm

            Eh, ontology; it is what it is.

  8. Leif
    September 22, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    I understand your disdain for the esoteric/New-Age stuff taught by the Esaleners though I’m unclear on one aspect: where does meditation lie on your continuum of assessing New-Age thought/practice? You probably know that Mckenna preferred psychedelics over meditation and his dislike for the latter. Whats your take on the 8-circuit model of consciousness? Developed by (gasp) Leary, analytically sharpened by RAW in Prometheus Rising, and watered back down to New-Age-yness (in my opinion) by Antero Alli in ‘Angel Tech’. Isn’t that a solid system of ontological reality assessment? (in addition to the Trivium)

  9. September 22, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Terry Melanson Perfectibilists The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati http://trineday.com/paypal_store/product_pages/perfectibilists.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPGdCjC9IXM Paranormal Cafe interview with Terry Melanson.

  10. Scott
    September 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Jan,

    I wish I had watched this yesterday, you cleared up many of the questions I had. When I had navigated the brain when you released it, I had been unable to put together some of the things you did in the video.

    Cheers,

  11. david
    September 22, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    How about rock&roll or more specifically the britsh invasion, which stole the songs of America propagated them with hysteria and added the flavor of psychedelia to the mix.
    Seems as though you touch on the edges of this by realizing the institution of control and it’s origin, but miss out the connection to the methodology which was the medium of its propagation.

    • david
      September 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm

      Further too methods of control, any comment on todays methodolgies which have been spun from this ideal. Jonathan Ive or sir Jonathan Ive “KBE”
      As it is he is the head of industrial design at “apple”. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ive

  12. Jan Irvin
    September 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    On contemplating the idea of why Sir Thomas Henry Huxley would name his club the “X-Club” that was used to promote Darwin’s theories and eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club), it hadn’t originally crossed my mind that I had done a lot of research on this topic for my first book, about 8 years ago. So I look in Astrotheology & Shamanism, page 152-153, where I wrote this:

    “X marks the spot” is common symbolic usage. In fact, it is universal symbolism. The mark is associated with the perfect man in Psalms 37:37. “Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of man is peace.” The mark of the archetypal “perfect man” is the cross. The cross is an upright X. In Ezekiel, a mark is set upon the foreheads of selected men in Jerusalem and all other men, women, and children are to be slaughtered.

    Ezekiel 9:6
    Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    The irony here is twofold: 1) that Huxley and Darwin are using a biblical reference for the club in which they promote Darwin’s ideas, and 2) Their plan for eugenics is now laid bare for all the world to see.

    As they say, “Kaboom!”

  13. Jan Irvin
    September 22, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I posted this in the other thread:

    On contemplating the idea of why Sir Thomas Henry Huxley would name his club the “X-Club” that was used to promote Darwin’s theories and eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club), it hadn’t originally crossed my mind that I had done a lot of research on this topic for my first book, about 8 years ago. So I look in Astrotheology & Shamanism, page 152-153, where we wrote this:

    “X marks the spot” is common symbolic usage. In fact, it is universal symbolism. The mark is associated with the perfect man in Psalms 37:37. “Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of man is peace.” The mark of the archetypal “perfect man” is the cross. The cross is an upright X. In Ezekiel, a mark is set upon the foreheads of selected men in Jerusalem and all other men, women, and children are to be slaughtered.

    Ezekiel 9:6
    Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    The irony here is twofold: 1) that Huxley and Darwin are using a biblical reference for the club in which they promote Darwin’s ideas, and 2) Their plan for eugenics is now laid bare for all the world to see.

    As they say, “Kaboom!”

  14. David Llewellyn Foster
    September 22, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    Huxley didn’t write King Solomon’s Ring only the Forward, the book was authored by Konrad Lorenz.

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      Thanks for the update. that shows in the citation in the bran.

  15. David Llewellyn Foster
    September 22, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    In Darwin’s day, “race” had broader meanings associated with animal species. Even my later Chambers circa 1920 defines it thus:
    n. the human family: the descendants of a common ancestor: a breed or variety: a tribal or national stock: a line of persons, as of statesmen, or of animals, as the feline race: a herd: peculiar flavour, as of wine, by which its origin may be recognised…etc

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm

      As I posted earlier, this hypothesis is untenable, as Huxley’s “X-Club” was used to dispensate Darwin’s theories, not to mention that Julian Huxley wrote numerous books on eugenics, humanism, etc.

      “On contemplating the idea of why Sir Thomas Henry Huxley would name his club the “X-Club” that was used to promote Darwin’s theories and eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club), it hadn’t originally crossed my mind that I had done a lot of research on this topic for my first book, about 8 years ago. So I look in Astrotheology & Shamanism, page 152-153, where we wrote this:

      “X marks the spot” is common symbolic usage. In fact, it is universal symbolism. The mark is associated with the perfect man in Psalms 37:37. “Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of man is peace.” The mark of the archetypal “perfect man” is the cross. The cross is an upright X. In Ezekiel, a mark is set upon the foreheads of selected men in Jerusalem and all other men, women, and children are to be slaughtered.

      Ezekiel 9:6
      Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

      The irony here is twofold: 1) that Huxley and Darwin are using a biblical reference for the club in which they promote Darwin’s ideas, and 2) Their plan for eugenics is now laid bare for all the world to see.”

      And also, when we recognize that the word “race” has broader meanings, and not just animals, we can see that Darwin is discussing animals to subtly lay forth a plan for eugenics.

      I.I A group of persons, animals, or plants, connected by common descent or origin.
         In the widest sense the term includes all descendants from the original stock, but may also be limited to a single line of descent or to the group as it exists at a particular period.

      • David Llewellyn Foster
        September 23, 2012 at 3:51 am

        T. H. Huxley’s deliberate adoption of a cross is indeed ironic in its strictly biblical context, given the motive of the club was a “devotion to science, pure and free, untrammelled by religious dogmas.” The cross is also probably the most ancient, ubiquitous and universal (Solar) symbol of all, widely recognised as synonymous with the Indian swastika, that H P Blavatsky adopted & Hitler reversed. Such allusions are truly gnostic therefore, not exclusively biblical. G R S Mead became Blavatsky’s secretary in 1889 and wrote at length about the gnostic cross.

        Of course, X is also the Roman sign for 10. Might that not also have had something to do with it given there were nine members of Huxley’s club? Possibly the tenth place, was left empty for the deceased Thomas Malthus whose ideas really inspired the whole population debate ~ or possibly it was for Darwin himself, as an honorary gesture in absentia. Might there me any truth is such a conjecture?

        We cannot attribute to Darwin total responsibility for generating ideas about eugenics that clearly pre-dated him. The original source was Malthus, who died in 1834. As the Wikipedia entry concludes:

        “Malthus became hugely influential, and controversial, in economic, political, social and scientific thought. Many of those whom subsequent centuries term evolutionary biologists read him…notably Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace, for each of whom Malthusianism became an intellectual stepping-stone to the idea of natural selection…Malthus remains a writer of great significance and controversy.”

        Despite his Red Ice tyrade against you, it is relevant to the present context that Simon G Powell’s “Metanoia” and his recent book is an attempt to revise and re-interpret Darwinian literalism.

        For listeners who might want to understand Powell’s biophilic approach better, I commend them to his interview with Joanna Harcourt-Smith “A New Relationship with Nature” http://www.futureprimitive.org/

        For Powell’s “Promega” connection btw see http://www.heffter.org/board-linton.htm

        Jan, have you read that excellent paper on Aldous Huxley “Designing a Brave New World: Eugenics, Politics, and Fiction” by Joanne Woiak yet? It was originally posted by Joseph Pierce in a former thread.
        I highly recommend it for contextual purposes as she tracks the way his ideas and work change and evolve over his lifetime. http://theburningtree.wikispaces.com/file/view/BNW+Eugenics+Politics+Fiction.pdf

        I’d like to know more about the relationship between Aldous the “public intellectual” and his brother Julian “the public scientist.” Any suggestions? Is there an archived correspondence, for example, anywhere that you know of?

  16. David Llewellyn Foster
    September 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Jan, your French pronunciation is less than perfect! Teilhard is sounded as Tae-yah…de (duh) Chardin = sha-dan (with an unstressed n.)

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm

      Thanks, Dave, for the French lesson, which isn’t really what we’re here for. But I’ll do my best to pronounce it better. Any thing else? Maybe you’d like to make it better yourself?

      • David Llewellyn Foster
        September 23, 2012 at 2:29 am

        It’s not intended as a criticism as such, you take it far too seriously. My French isn’t perfect either, but at least I tried to speak it naturally, as I lived and worked there. If you want your research to have wider recognition it helps not to be “gauche” ~ that Robert42 would deliberately pronounce as gosh. All I can say to him is go and live in France for a while and get a life. It often bugged me when BBC types used to talk about Mary-Land for example. Now they tend to get it right. Its not pretentious its just a cultural thing. OK?

        • robert42
          September 26, 2012 at 10:56 am

          “go and live in France for a while and get a life”

          My God, “let them eat cake,” indeed. You really do think that anyone who hasn’t had your privileged life is inferior, don’t you? You belong with the eugenicists.

          • David Llewellyn Foster
            September 27, 2012 at 2:40 am

            Some of these responses are a bit late ~ I thought robert42 and I had already resolved this one. As for privilege, perhaps best walk in my moccasins to determine that. That privileged life in France was wielding a pick and shovel for four years.
            I agree with Jan though, it is nit picky, so apologies to you both. Only robert42 you did attack me rather strenuously a while back. Just giving back as good as I got.
            I really don’t have any cultural conceits or pretensions, that stuff got knocked out of me years ago, and I’m still learning so I’ll accept the criticisms. Prejudice is only for people who have lived unexamined lives.

        • Jan Irvin
          September 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm

          So what you’re saying, Dave, is that if you haven’t lived in France, then you don’t have a life? Seems so silly to nit pick, but having only lived in places like Yugoslavia and Greece and Peru, not a life as yours in France, I’m not as cultured, but I would still do my best to pronounce correctly. However, it general, Serbo-Croat names, for instance, are pronounced here by their American equivalents, not as in Srbija, etc.

          So yeah, it is pretty pretentious, but I can understand about it, but no need for you to tell people to get a life, etc, because they’re more focused on the message rather than nit picking about it and may or may not have lived in France.

          Dali preces Srpskom? Dali resumas? Kako ste vi?

          Would you say, for instance, Slow-bo-Dan Mil-o-se-vik?

          That’s entirely wrong. Now go back to school and get cultured.

          Slobodan Milosevic – ic is “ich” at the end, not K. s is Sh, as in “sh -e” or “sh-E” not s or c as in English.

          How’s your Spanish, Dave?

          But anyway, regardless of your pretentious stuff here, I get it, but yet, I’ve never, ever, heard any American pundits, et al, say just about anything in Serbo-Croat correctly.

          • David Llewellyn Foster
            September 27, 2012 at 2:45 am

            Well said Jan, as I replied many days ago to robert42′s thread ~ fair enough. Points taken and heeded. Good advice.
            As for my Spanish, it’s pretty shit, mostly Gallego slang having spent a lot of time with Gitanos and sweated in the gypsy markets of the North for many years…

          • Thomas Dean
            June 17, 2013 at 8:33 am

            I think there’s a better way to talk about this. It seems to me, in a Western European tradition, there is an enormous wealth of information in French (and German). Anglophones tend to only speak English, so they are not as sensitive to what they can be missing and are quick to dismiss ‘nitpickiness’ as being pretentious or irrelevant. Maybe the trend today is to be English-Only, but in the past, there were other, great languages and information put forth in those languages and this is the sort of thing that seems to be studied on this site.

            It’s not to say, ”Learn French” but I think that Anglophones need to recognize their handicap of being unilingual (rather than seeing it as an advantage because everyone seems to want to speak English these days, so they think they have more doors open to them).

            I think Spanish is important, by sheer number, (es mi cuarto idioma)but the intellectural tradition is not nearly as great in Spanish as it has been in German and French. Of course, nowadays, everyone abandons everything and writes in English to reach more people. This only uniforms thought and makes less quality in the diversity of credible research (what difference does it make if a book is written in French by a francophone if all of his sources are Anglo-saxon ?). All of the great, well-known German and French writers didn’t write in English and yet they are still known. But now, they all think they need to in order to be read.

            Au fond, what I would like to see is a greater sensitivity and appreciation for language among, (but not limited to) Anglophones. They’re priviledged in one way, but have trouble seeing their handicap.

            Maybe people would just dismiss me because I believe our French language in Québec to be so precious that, linguistic diversity in general, cannot just be brushed aside as mere ways to communicate.

      • Ashley Wildman
        September 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm
    • robert42
      September 22, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      And don’t forget to pronounce Illinois as eeleenwa, St Louis as san (“with an unstressed n”) looee, and I won’t even try to transliterate New Orleans! :)

      Not really.

      Let’s follow the street-English practice of a frank anglicization and be done with it: Tay-lard de Chard-in (pronounced as it looks), and give the finger to people who revere form over function.

      • David Llewellyn Foster
        September 23, 2012 at 4:31 am

        Robert, it’s a guy’s name! not a place like Noo Orlins…

        • robert42
          September 23, 2012 at 4:57 am

          And when spoken by a non-native speaker, adaptation to ones own tongue is not only common practice, but often the only practical option.

          It’s called common sense, although it does require a certain disregard for the possible jeers of the snobbish and pretentious.

          • robert42
            September 23, 2012 at 6:44 am

            I’m just now listening to the delightful Story of Civilization, the Reformation, and I learn that Geoffrey Chaucer’s surname, being French for shoe maker, may have originally been pronounced sho-sair. But of course, sensibly, we say chaw-ser.

          • David Llewellyn Foster
            September 23, 2012 at 6:50 am

            OK fair enough.

  17. September 22, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    http://www.naturalnews.com/020227_ADHD_psychiatry.html

    Jan let’s not forgot the psychiatry mind control scam in general. A friend of the family is putting her daughter on some ADHD drug — this is terrible! I remember when this really kicked in during the 1980s and suddenly all my high school friends — half of them were suddenly diagnosed to take antidepressants and the ones I knew who took these ended up seriously messed up. One of them said only electroshock treatment saved him — and then he became a psychologist. I mean it’s like a cycle of abuse spreading.

    So yeah it’s not just “psychedelics” in the New Age scene being used to shut down critical thinking but the whole “psychotropic” scene of Big Pharm.

    • Jan Irvin
      September 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm

      yeah, I don’t think I forgot it at all. In fact I specifically mentioned it, and if you go through the Brain Database it’s listed there as well – in many ways… thanks.

  18. David Llewellyn Foster
    September 23, 2012 at 4:20 am

    Particularly lucid interview with Joanne Woiak about Anglo-American history of eugenics
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f204e9VtXfk

    • Ashley Wildman
      September 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm

      Thanks for sharing!

      Hey Jan you should interview Joanne Woiak.

  19. Chris
    September 23, 2012 at 10:51 am

    These are all Red man logical straw hominem ad herring fallacy attacks, clearly you don’t understand shit because you’re intellectually bankrupt. Read the 381 pages of evidence as I have and then come talk to me! The proof that is in multiple citations.

  20. Mat
    September 23, 2012 at 11:27 am

    In what sense is The Republic part of some elitist agenda? You make so many sweeping claims but what of the evidence?

    • Jan Irvin
      September 24, 2012 at 11:37 am

      Rather than attacking me for supposedly not providing evidence, did it ever occur to you to just read Plato’s Republic? The book itself is the evidence. Your question exposes your own lack of ever having read the book.

    • Ryan Vann
      September 27, 2012 at 6:52 am

      Mat, have you ever, in fact, read The Republic? It is ostensibly reactionary aristocratic propaganda. It is the original elitists fluff job.

      • Jan Irvin
        September 27, 2012 at 9:36 am

        I think it’s clear that Mat didn’t read the citation before he reacted emotionally and attacked me for it, hence his need to attack and not see the shadows on the wall of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave… Again, the irony is just so incredibly thick -

        And the entire point of Plato’s Allegory is over his frustration of trying to wake these idiots up – and out of sheer frustration and the murder of Socrates, he joins the elites and sells this propaganda to herd the “mob” – demo – cracy.

        If someone like Mat had the inclination, the wherewithal, to simply pick up and read the book before they have all of these emotional reactions, they’d see very obviously what Plato’s all about. But they can not put their grammar first. It’s not possible for them. They’re entirely reactionary.

        It’s like Jonny Enoch said on his Youtube page, “emotions must be married to logic.” Incredible! Jonny has no ability to see that you can study something without getting emotionally caught up in it… it’s far easier to study something OBJECTIVELY when we’re not emotionally engaged – hence why Jonny can’t base his attacks on my actual research and made up a video that’s entirely lies and misrepresents my work. “Facts are from Mars” ~ to quote Jonny Enoch. This is the emotional, irrational idiocy that we’ve all got to face – the hurdle we must jump over, if we’re ever to have a positive impact waking these so called enlightened hippies up, whom are no better than ANY religious cult and zealotry.

        • Ashley Wildman
          September 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm

          Indeed. Well said Jan.

  21. goatstaog
    September 24, 2012 at 4:37 am

    Is Arthur Wallace related to host Mike Wallace?

    - Nice office- Those Ikea adjustable desks are superb for form function I have 2. (off topic i know)

    I mentioned the Lucy Kavaler book in my last comment in another thread – I can scan those first pages I mentioned for you Jan for your database
    if you have not read or seen it. – email me direct if you are interested.

  22. Marcos Azaro
    September 24, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Jan have you seen, or heard about, the Mad Men episode where a group of wealthy Manhattaners take LSD under the guidance of T. Leary? (setting is 1966). There’s a take where they show the Life magazine for a couple of seconds.

    It is interesing how, in the episodes leading to this one, they show how people freak out about a mass shooting incident, and how this traumatizes a lot of the characters, to the point that an antidepressant/sleep-aid pill is handed out to a pre-teen girl. It also ignites (spontaneously if we are to believe the narrative being proposed) the debate on the hazards of gun rights ownership.

    So basically we have a couple of mass shootings, which amplified through mass media create trauma in the minds of people who live thousands of miles away from the incidents. This installs the gun rights debate and gets people (kids as well) on synthetic drugs. Overlaying all of this, you have a troubled middle aged man who rids himself from all of his psychological blockings by means of one LSD trip under the guidance of T. Leary.

  23. September 24, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    This website is Science based & very good @ presenting + documenting how internet porn addiction is destroying male sexual health etc..

    http://www.yourbrainonporn.com

  24. September 24, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Chris Masterjohn who does an excellent presentation called “Animal Fats Are Good For You”

    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Rockefeller-Foundation-Social-Control-Eugenics.html

    Here he does a review of Lily E. Kay’s book The Molecular Vision of Life: Caltech, The Rockefeller Foundation, and the Rise of the New Biology

    Thanks 4 Sharing what you have discovered Jan. its greatly appreciated !

    cheers

  25. Patrick
    September 26, 2012 at 1:25 am

    Boy thats kinda fucked about Alan Watts.. I remember seeing a very skeptical look at conspiracy theories (i believe it was BBC?) and the reporter ended up investigating the bilderbergs and things and he eventually had an actually pretty interesting conclusion, these people probably are involved in a plot to take over the world but they don’t really realize it.
    I wonder what Alan Watts intentions were and how much he really knew, i find it hard to believe he was in to race war, but if you worry about the environment desperately it can be hard to think of what to do. Mouth Pieces are not required to know the real intentions of the group and in fact will do a much better job if they actually believe what they are saying.

    Thats just it though, governments by their very nature are trying to take over the world, they are in fact not doing their job proeperly if they are not, we live in a world based on competition and cut throat economics ruled by mafioso occult theocrats in a banking religion. But that is really beside the point because even if everything the mainstream news said was 100% correct, anyone with a mind should see that government is a totally erroneous and inherently corrupt form of social organization. People should be rebelling even if things were as good as the propaganda says it is because government can never create equality or freedom, or autonomous individuals.

    “If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him!”

    • Bruce
      September 26, 2012 at 9:22 am

      Are you talking about Alan Watts the Zen Philosopher from the 60s? Or this new character called Alan Watt who’s into conspiracy- theory- whatever stuff?
      Where are you getting this about Alan Watts?
      I knew someone would try to drag him into this since he was friends with Huxley but that proves nothing in itself.

      • David Llewellyn Foster
        September 27, 2012 at 3:01 am

        I enjoyed Alan Watts’ work enormously, he had a refreshing, if populist take on Zen. Very easy to read. Some would say liberating. Leary was similar insofar as he went. I read “Politics of Ecstasy” in 1968/9 with Jimi Hendrix and Janis I thought it was great. Looking through it again nearly fifty years on, I think it still has plenty to say. So many of the the ‘sixties writers, particularly in the US were really exciting. Huxley was pretty tame in comparison. Burroughs was extraordinary. What is striking is the paucity of women writing about psychedelia.

  26. edward
    September 27, 2012 at 10:33 am

    hey jan. good work. have u ever heard of the monroe institute? interesting work being done there. if you see the correlations behind this outfit and the eselen group. except no entheogens. just brainwaves.. look into it if you get a chance..

  27. edward
    September 27, 2012 at 10:55 am

    hi jan,
    have you ever researched anything on the monroe institute and robert monroe. strange things are afoot there. the research into conciousness, while not using entheogens is different. sounds on the same caliber as eselen though. i always thought they were. i listened to some interviews with stan grof ahile ago and he would give dmt to psych patients. i dont know if thats a good aproach.. thats eselen for you…

  28. Alex
    October 11, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Nice shirt can we buy it here in Gnostic Media?

  29. Alex
    October 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Nice T-Shirt got the underwear going with that? lol, kinda off topic here but Jan seems you need some Florax: http://www.amazon.com/Salus-Haus-Floradix-17-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B0010EI0CA have got to watch out for the health also. Check out MSM, Guarana, Macca, Locuma etc… Food=Medicine and Medicine=Food Hippocrates, keep up the great work will have alisten at this but had to post this also doing shopping in the site. peace

  30. Alex
    October 11, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Question: Any available resources upon a transcript of this? If may add adding subtitles to videos really helps even though is people speak the language just helps, as a side option to absorb more and Google things in a more define aspect of ways. Posting ideas and questions as going through listening to this thanks.

    • Jan Irvin
      October 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm

      Hi Alex, no, no transcript. You’re free to type it up and we’ll post it.

  31. Pete
    October 21, 2012 at 2:24 am

    Jan, why does the video skip around minute 48? You are talking about McLuhan writing his thesis on the trivium and there is a glich. Did we miss any info on McLuhan?

    • Jan Irvin
      October 21, 2012 at 9:48 am

      because there was a glitch in the recording. It’s only a second or two I think.

  32. john stokes
    October 23, 2012 at 6:13 am

    very mixed bag! looking at esalen as a cult because people find it hard to ‘adjust to society again’…..thats really not a runner…….everytime people form a group…there is an element of cult about it….its group mind…its inevitable….it doesnt make it a negative…controlled…mindcontrol exercise….

    • Jan Irvin
      October 23, 2012 at 8:52 am

      Try not to focus in on one statement while ignoring the entire video of evidence, all of their ties to intelligence, SRI,the Tavistock institute, and the Huxleys. Come on, really? Is that all you were able to hear? I presented documents and a database for you to follow along with, and this is what I get this back: “at esalen as a cult because people find it hard to ‘adjust to society again’…..thats really not a runner”.

      Incredible.

      • Nick Bishop
        October 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm

        I think you are really misreading Aldous’ works, beliefs & philosophy, and can’t see how if you have read these works that you would think that this man (certainly be the end of his life) had malicious intentions, or desired a one-world government.

        I think he was very important in exposing the way power works and the methods they would use, this is why Brave New World is a very interesting work as it predicts how power would seek to strengthen its hold on the people in the future, I don’t see any problem with him describing these notions to the broader public as it was very informative to me, I certainly don’t think it was some kind of instruction manual to the elites on how to improve the efficacy of their control as you seem to be implying! In the foreword of the 1946 version of the Brave New World he outlined his belief in decentralism, anarchism (in a Kropoktin sense), and also I think Henry-George economics as the only viable alternative to the Brave New World mind-control authoritative government, certainly not the NWO one-world government idea that you are linking him to, and his talks, books etc all relay this to me.

        Of his spiritual/mystical styled works his book The Perennial Philosophy explores the common fundamental principles underling all the worlds religions, primarily being the mystical experience, though this I’m sure would perhaps smack to Jan et al of Theosophy given its desire of finding the underlying commonalities in the world religions, and then Theosophy=NWO. Again I don’t see how this work could be construed as serving an ill-end, as it is a wonderful text that shows how the world over and throughout recent history, mystical states have arisen in men & woman and what comes out of them is something more than the dogma of the religion that they were embedded in.

        In the end, it seems to me perhaps you’re giving Aldous a bad-rap by guilt through association.

        • Jan Irvin
          October 29, 2012 at 4:44 pm

          Hi Nick, would you please go through the citations in both the article and video, and through the database that was on screen and show which ones are incorrect?

          Wrightwood, California.
          21 October, 1949

          Dear Mr. Orwell,

          [...]

          May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution?

          The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf.

          [...]

          My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World.

          I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

          Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government.

          ***Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations.***

          Another lucky accident was Freud’s inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism.

          This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years.

          But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

          Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.
          ~ Aldous Huxley [emphasis added] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111440/Aldous-Huxley-letter-George-Orwell-1984-sheds-light-different-ideas.html

          • Nick Bishop
            October 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm

            Hi Jan, thanks for the reply.

            In terms of the Huxley-Orwell letter, it’s more the interpretation from what he is saying that I think is incorrect. He is describing a method of control in Brave New World and in his letter to Orwell rather than advocating it, which is what it seems you are suggesting?

            Similarly in his lecture on the Ultimate Revolution, he is describing a process and not advocating it, he repeatedly says “the revolution we are faced with”; describes this revolution as “the ultimate in malevolent revolutions”; and “I have noticed with increasing dismay a number of the predictions which were purely fantastic when I made them thirty years ago have come true or seem in process of coming true.”

            So I can’t see how anyone takes this as Huxley advocating such a revolution. I agree with him and believe he echoes what you are also doing, facing up to & describing this “revolution” as Huxley calls it, that is being enforced by elites & the power structure we are embedded in, describing their methods, and how they are actually becoming more efficient in their attempts to control us.

            As I mentioned he advocated for a very different human society embodying ideas of decentralisation, Georgist economics, etc rather than centralised power structures, mind-control techniques etc. His last novel the Island was a pretty good example of this, where he outlines a somewhat Utopian island nation that combines science, community governship with meditiation, responsible use of mushrooms etc (the Utopian aspect of it is acknowledged by Huxley himself in that a violent neighbour overthrows the nation in the end of the tale), and voluntary population control (that one might ruffle some feathers! though I think you have to read the book).

            The links in your database are very interesting but I think what he says & writes are of more importance in getting an idea of the man than links such as he being the grandson of Darwin’s bulldog.I would suggest that for some people like Aldous, by the end of his life his opinions were very far from the elitist background he was brought up in.

          • Jan Irvin
            October 29, 2012 at 7:17 pm

            Ah, but you didn’t answer my questions. I asked you to go through the paper and video and database and show what was wrong. You also seem to want us to omit and ignore Julian Huxley’s work with the British Eugenics Society, as well as his own creation of modern humanism and transhumanism, which were ideas sold via Esalen, and you seem to want us to ignore that 2012 was developed by the CIA and then somehow got from there to Esalen and then on to McKenna, etc. You want us also to ignore Thomas Huxley and Darwins relations and their work on eugenics, and the name of their own X-Club. You seem to want us to believe that Aldous is warning us against the very ideas his family did everything to promote, when you read with a careful eye, you’ll understand that his works are GUIDE books on how to run the occult. in his letter he’s asking how these things could be accomplished and then mentioning his own forefather’s failure in this ultimate revolution – which I’m very well aware of what that means.

            But let’s try not to ignore all of these other things and then focus in on one. I asked you to show how these other things are incorrect.

            Huxley throughout is promiting the very use of the “SOMA” that has been used today to create a culture of the very positive thinking / docile mentality he wanted. What comes out of Esalen, had you gone through the citations as asked, would have shown you that what he promoted via Esalen and his works fits exactly with the fourth world agenda and getting a culture of people onto drugs without critical thinking.

            As it turns out, I have a letter where Wasson sent him his Mushrooms, Russia and History, before Wasson’s Life article ever came out. Of course Wasson’s the one who turned the mushroom into Soma, which is now used by the New Age movement to promote positive thinking.

            But then you also failed to address the 40 coincidences, 12 of which were numbered out. So If you want to arbitrarily address a couple items while omiting several dozens of others, not to mention an entire database, which I’m in doubt that you even looked at, (did you even read the paper?) then you’ve got another thing coming.

            “His last novel the Island was a pretty good example of this, where he outlines a somewhat Utopian island nation that combines science, community governship with meditiation, responsible use of mushrooms etc (the Utopian aspect of it is acknowledged by Huxley himself in that a violent neighbour overthrows the nation in the end of the tale), and voluntary population control (that one might ruffle some feathers! though I think you have to read the book). ”

            Uh, yeah… a utopia… yeah, that’s what I was discussing.. a utopia based on his own false appeal to authority. I get what his books are laying out – how to run massive global cults and keep the population under strict control. Anyway, thanks for proving my point. Next time read the citations and study the work first, please. This is known as putting your grammar or who what where and when, before your logic, or why. You can’t answer why something is before you have the grammar. This is why I first asked you to address the citations AND I posted up the article. Had you done both you’d not have attempted to ignore 90% of the evidence against you.

          • Nick Bishop
            October 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm

            I’m totally keen on the idea of removing positivist new-age thinking from the psychedelic community, I have been saying this to friends for years and totally agree with you there, I but you are taking too many unjustified leaps of faith with little substantial connections for me to accept your argument. I don’t see much of Huxley’s actual ideas in the Esalen Institute, but a perverted form stripped of it’s political and social context.

            I haven’t just replied based on nothing substantial, I went through the Orwell letter that you have posted as evidence, and said that what you were citing is not proof at all. Its a description and not a bloody instruction manual, or else I could say that your work is a guide-book for exactly the same because you outline how the powerful are keeping/extending their power, the conclusion doesn’t follow that when he writes condemning this, he is actually in support of it…

            Where in his letter is he asking how would he accomplish these things? I find it hard to turn the words “malevolent revolutions” etc etc into a suggestion for them. Again his reference to forefathers is from a condemnation perspective, i.e. he is saying that thank-god they didn’t start getting on this stuff a few generations back, but they are now and so we must deal with it.

            I can’t even find a citation where you actually link something Aldous has said to a personal desire of his to assist elites in developing & maintaining power, except the speech that I referenced, and I’ve already said what I think of it. Most of what your references are to do with are about the Darwins, Julian & Thomas Huxley, this is not what I’m disputing…you’re trying to tell me that you can’t be wrong on Aldous because you may be right on Darwin/Thomas Huxley/Julian?

            Aldous certainly doesn’t promote the Soma in Brave New World (I’m wondering how much of his work you’ve read), you’re really stretching the mark to read it this way…its obvious he’s outright against it. Read the differences regarding Soma in Brave New World vs. Moksha in The Island and you will understand his opinion on psychedelics vs other mind-numbing substances. Huxley writes “human beings act in a great variety of irrational ways, but all of them seem to be capable, if given a fair choice, of making a reasonable choice in the light of available evidence. Democratic institutions can be made to work only if all concerned do their best to impart knowledge and to encourage rationality”. So you’re putting your grammar before your logic here, and I think putting it before your logic on most aspects of this man’s work.

          • Jan Irvin
            October 29, 2012 at 9:22 pm

            “Aldous certainly doesn’t promote the Soma in Brave New World (I’m wondering how much of his work you’ve read), you’re really stretching the mark to read it this way…its obvious he’s outright against it. Read the differences regarding Soma in Brave New World vs. Moksha in The Island and you will understand his opinion on psychedelics vs other mind-numbing substances. Huxley writes “human beings act in a great variety of irrational ways, but all of them seem to be capable, if given a fair choice, of making a reasonable choice in the light of available evidence. Democratic institutions can be made to work only if all concerned do their best to impart knowledge and to encourage rationality”.

            Yes, all the while missing the entire appeal to false authority in statism – elitism. All the while ignoring the ideas he and his brother promoted through eugenics, et al, that fit in perfect context of the 4th world. I suggest you gain a deeper understanding of what he and his brother were promoting and get familiar, again, with the fourth world that I’ve already referred you to. You clearly didn’t bother to read any of it. Let me know after you’ve read the material and gone through the database. Taking one quote out of context of the entire article and attacking it is known as a straw man. See if you can study the entire thing, in full, and go through the provided citations, as already asked of you, and show how they’re wrong – IN CONTEXT. If you’re not capable of doing so, then just admit it and don’t post again.

            See if you can manage this video in Aldous’s own words – eugenics, mind control, et al. And you think he doesn’t promote it. Though I’m not sure you can see or understand the irony in his brother founding the very institutions that promote these ideas. This is no warning. Again, it’s a blue print.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF3Puif4H2A

            Please also study the trivium section to the left, if you’ll check any citations at all…

            But again, address the article and database point by point, in context, answer the contradictions, etc, and this video, or be banned.

          • Nick Bishop
            October 29, 2012 at 10:19 pm

            Go for it…but all I’m doing is disagreeing with your conclusion that he was in complete agreement with his brother’s philosophies, I am saying that he was obviously aware of them and disagreed with them as this interview and all his other material makes clear to me.

  33. el
    October 23, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    lol! were all hypocrites! Be it adept hypocrites.

    Cheers!

  34. robert42
    November 19, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Jan, I was given the first eleven issues of a periodical called “Psychedelic Review,” dated from 1963 to 1971. It actually might be the complete set, as it is unclear whether issue eleven was the final issue. It has some interesting articles: there are articles by Wasson (reprints from other forums, actually) in issues one and three, and articles by, or about, Timothy Leary in every nearly issue. I thought that you, and other readers here, might find it of interest, so I put the zip file here for anyone to download:
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4762956/Psychedelic%20Review.zip

    • Jan Irvin
      November 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm

      I have them. Thank you for the reminder.

  35. neil o regan
    November 25, 2012 at 5:18 am

    Excellent.
    thanks

  36. Ben Steigmann
    September 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Here the fundamentalist materialist Michael Shermer is debunked by an astrologer on his own show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6k7xa1NrCc

    Regarding entities – I know people who have had such experiences in such a way that it goes beyond the confines of what we would think of as merely subjective. Dr. Rick Strassman in his DMT trials referred to encounters with entities in such a way was not expected, and often outside the boundaries of the volunteer’s belief systems. He noted, “And I think a lot of the current interest in brain/spirituality issues either consciously or unconsciously is taking on kind of a Buddhist point of view, which is all of this spiritual content is a product of the mind as opposed to being perceived by the mind. The part I didn’t expect was the more interactive ego maintenance types of experiences which were full of content and full of images. You know, the personality of the volunteer could still interact quite willfully with what was going on in their DMT state. So it was a spiritual experience for the volunteers but the type of spiritual experience or the quality of it was what caught me unaware.

    So one of the analogies that I make in the DMT book is the brain is a receiver as opposed to a generator of a particular channel of consciousness, Channel Normal, as it were.
    Under extreme situations then the channel switches and as a result of being given DMT the brain is now able to perceive channels of information that it couldn’t before. If you change your perspective on the relationship between the brain and consciousness then things start to become a bit clearer, but at the same time have been more mind-boggling, too.”: http://www.skeptiko.com/rick-strassman-psychedelic-drugs-prove-we-are-more-than-our-brain/

    Sometimes these experiences are not necessarily positive. he ethnologist Michael Harner, in the authoritative text “The Way of the Shaman”, related the following account:
    “I went to his hut, taking my notebook with me, and described my visions to him segment by segment. At first I told him only the highlights; thus, when I came to the dragon-like creatures, I skipped their arrival from space and only said, “There were these giant black animals, something like great bats, longer than the length of this house, who said they were the true masters of the world.” There is no word for dragon in Conibo, so “giant bat” was the closest I could come to describe what I had seen.
    He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, “Oh, they’re always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness.”
    He waved his hand casually toward the sky. I felt a chill along the lower part of my spine, for I had not yet told him that I had seen them, in my trance, coming from outer space.
    I was stunned. What I had experienced was already familiar to this barefoot, blind shaman. Known to him from his own explorations of the same hidden world into which I had ventured. From that moment on I decided to learn everything I could about shamanism.”: http://tinyurl.com/ctsrzkr

    The following mystical experience has enough implausible real world correspondences and healing effects as to defy the materialistic explanation. It also has aspects that correspond to other experiences in such a way as to show common features that are aspects of the higher levels of what it means to be human. It goes very far towards refuting your claims on this: http://www.skeptiko.com/76-yvonne-kason-kundalini-near-death-experience/

    Regarding the possibility of us being entities rather than just products of brain processing, we can look into Dr. Jeffrey Long’s overview of NDE research:
    -The level of consciousness and alertness during NDEs is usually greater than they experience during their everyday life even though NDEs generally occur while unconscious or clinically dead [in case you don't know, this means flatline EEG].
    -What NDErs see and hear in the out of body state during their NDEs is generally realistic, and often verified later by the NDErs or others as real.
    -Normal or super-normal vision occurs in NDEs among those with significantly impaired vision or even legal blindness. Several NDErs who were blind from birth have reported highly visual NDEs.
    -Typical NDEs occur under general anesthesia at a time when conscious experience should be impossible.
    -Life reviews in NDEs include real events that took place in the NDErs lives, even if the events had been forgotten.
    -When NDErs encounter beings they knew from their earthly life, they are VIRTUALLY ALWAYS deceased, and usually deceased relatives.
    -The NDEs of children, including very young children, are strikingly similar to the NDEs of older children and adults.
    -NDEs appear strikingly consistent around the world. Many NDEs from non-Western countries are very similar to typical Western NDEs.
    -Changes in the lives of NDErs after their experiences, the NDE aftereffects, are common. Aftereffects are often powerful, lasting, and the changes follow a consistent pattern.

    The following is a very good source that approaches mystical and paranormal subjects, but with scientific rigor: http://www.skeptiko.com/

  37. Jan Irvin
    September 21, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Who was throwing the baby out with the bath water? Ben is always standing by, forever ready to derail a conversation with irrelevant information.

  38. goatstaog
    September 24, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    You are just providing rhretoric. This whole deal is truly subjective to ones personal experience. How do you put it on paper? So far it’s
    been words on paper. But when you start marketing that ‘subjective-objective’ it is immediately suspect to the intelligent. Strausman is funded and
    guided and not a credible source. He is in Cahoots with agencies that make honest humans cringe. You really want Gov. to be guiding your
    next psychedelic experience? IF you do then so be it but do not force that spoon on others.
    I personally do agree certain forumlations of plants do open up gateways and provide access to communicate or just baseline see other things
    not of our plane of existance. But I’m not going to push someone else to believe me because how can you ? It’s fraudulent due to the factors and variables involved
    and could be a cosmic joke on each individual so to speak. You keep citing suspect sources and are you quoting an excert from a book by Straussman or did you write that passage? When I close my eyes every day I see anything I feel. That’s called imagination and it can run wild with pleasure and pain and that’s where all the great fiction came from and what drives people every day forth.

  39. goatstaog
    September 25, 2012 at 3:39 am

    Why are you promoting MIchael Sher-mer promoting his psychic buddy promoting SCHLEPTIC magazine ?

  40. Ben Steigmann
    September 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    That was in response to another person regarding astrology and ‘channeling’, so it was relevant to that point.

  41. Henk
    September 23, 2012 at 12:34 am

    I wonder how many people lost another 30 minutes reading through the entire page again searching for that quote since quick searching for either channel or astrology doesn’t give results..

  42. Ben Steigmann
    September 23, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    That comment is no longer here, but it was there when I posted my reply. It said something about Alice Baily and “Esoteric Astrology”.

  43. Henk
    September 24, 2012 at 5:25 am

    The implication of that is that Jan removed the comment which I don’t think he did.

  44. Ben Steigmann
    September 24, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    It was there. You are free to believe what you like about this matter.

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