Peace Revolution 001: The Great Conversation


Peace Revolution the official Podcast of Tragedy and Hope: episode 001: The Great Conversation

Featuring: Jan Irvin of, Paul Verge of, and Richard Grove and Lisa Arbercheski of

The Peace Revolution Podcast is a Public Service of Tragedy and Hope Magazine ( )

  7 comments for “Peace Revolution 001: The Great Conversation

  1. September 21, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Hey y’all

    First of all I really appreciate the work that y’all are doing to try and inform the masses and to get them to try and educate themselves.

    The discoveries of logical fallacies has been an important and useful discovery for me and I look forward to exploring the site and libraries to study information that will allow me to think critically and improve my ability to learn.

    However I’m really confused and concerned about how every one in this discussion is really bashing Al Gore and the environmental movement.

    I’m probably using a fallacy here, but it sounds as though you are denying the existence of global warming and the harmful effects of climate change when multiple peer reviewed experiments have proven that it is happening and that it is a serious threat. Of course somebody stands to gain from this movement, but somebody stands to gain from everything, and in the status quo most of us stand to lose. You mention appeal to authority as a fallacy, but I think that the majority of the world’s scientists form a legitimate authority. I think that your group risk falling into a sceptics fallacy – ‘appeal to conspiracy': that because much of the world is callous and self-serving, therefore nothing or no one in the status quo can be trusted as honest or benevolent. The environmental movement is fighting against the status quo for those that cannot defend themselves and does not need people like you discrediting it willy-nilly as a con. Please check your facts and then show them to me because I want to see them!

    In short it’s as though y’all are trying to be cooler than cool. Better informed than the scientists (who are all corrupt) and on a moral high ground, which needless to say leaves the environment in a pitiful state.

    Sure, industries pollute the most, but does that mean that people should not pollute? Shouldn’t save energy? Shouldn’t recycle? Sounds like a composition fallacy to me. (you’ll probably accuse me of straw man!)

    It sounds like you are advocating that people pollute recklessly without any regard to its effects. It’s as though you’ve all over-analysed and gone full circle on environmental protection. Are you forgetting that consumer society wants us to buy every new product regardless of its environmental cost or whether or not it can be recycled?

    I’d really appreciate if you could get back to me on this because it seems to be a recurring theme and I’d like you to address it or at least point me in the direction of the evidence from which you base your conclusions.

    Thanks again

    • September 28, 2011 at 8:45 am

      Please inform us on how cap and trade is going to help the global warming situation. Peer reviewed journal today means corporate controlled opinion. There’s enough honest scientist disputing the non-sense.

      • Jan Irvin
        September 28, 2011 at 10:06 am

        “Peer reviewed journal today means corporate controlled opinion.” Where did you come up with that? That’s a hasty generalization fallacy, as well as poisoning the well.

        But yeah, we need a sustainable system, not one driven by corporate greed.

    • Michael
      September 18, 2012 at 1:35 am

      Hi there Ze (sorry don’t know how to get the fancy ‘ above the e in your name),

      I would like to direct you towards researching the effects of the Sun on Global Warming & see if that doesn’t shed a little “light” on the subject, lol. Also refer to the comment about the 5 biggest shipping company’s or was it the actual 5 ships themselves causing more carbon emissions than “Every Car In The World.” I’ve never thought of that until I heard it, but OMG it makes sense! I’m sure you could send an e-mail to this site for source verification if you need it (try that with our current media). I’ve already looked into the facts about the big burning ball of fire in our skies & what kind of activity it’s been up too over the past decade or so to know Global Warming is a HUGE SCAM. I feel it is up to each individual to care for the Earth in the best way they can (I’m not the best, but I try to be mindful as I can) as we’re all supposed to be Stewards of the Earth. I just hate seeing a world designed so that most people could give two licks at the end of the day… that’s the real crime :-(

  2. September 21, 2011 at 12:23 am

    I’d also like to ad that if I had any disposable income I would donate money to your cause to keep it going because I find it really valuable, but I’m in a lot of debt, I don’t even give to beggars or charity, so sorry about that. But hopefully I’ll donate in the future. In the meantime I’ve been trying to spread your message to my friends.


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