This episode is an interview with Dr. Peter Glidden, ND, titled “Killing Us Softly: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of Doctors” and is being released on Saturday, Nov. 05, 2011. My interview with Peter was recorded on Nov. 03, 2011.
PETER GLIDDEN BS, ND
An outspoken advocate of Wholistic Health, Dr. Glidden has lectured to thousands of people over the last 2 decades. He delivers over 60 Free Lectures each year, and is a regular speaker at Health Freedom Expo & Youngevity Regional Meetings. He has appeared on TV, is a regular guest host of the “Dead Doctors Don’t Lie” Health Talk radio program, and gives free weekly seminars all over Chicagoland. His new book, The MD Emperor Has No Clothes, is an eye-opening, groundbreaking, jaw dropping exposition on the shortcomings of conventional MD directed medicine and the unrivaled excellence of Wholistic medical treatments.
1987: BS from University of Massachusetts, Amherst MA.
1991: ND from Bastyr University, Seattle WA.
1992: Licensed to practice Naturopathic medicine.
1993 – Present: Private Naturopathic medical practice.
1987 – Present: Member – American Association of Naturopathic Physicians.
2008 – Present: Member – Illinois Association of Naturopathic Physicians.
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Jan, thank you so much for this interview! I’m such a huge fan of Dr. Gidden’s work and of your interviews that listening to this two hour interview gave me multiple geekgasms! I’ve listened to other interviews with Dr.G but this one went way deeper. You mention doing another interview next week with Dr. Glidden about the lack of quality control in most vitamin manufacturing companies. I’m really looking forward to hearing that one! I love what he said about hemp… I knew it was good for us!
It is because of Dr.G that my blood sugar is 100% normal (had been abnormal for over 10 year) and my Chronic Adrenal Fatigue has 100% cleared up. I would use the word “cure” but I don’t want to get Dr. G in trouble!
Like Dr. G said, thank you for providing this platform to educate and librate us.
great interview!
I’ve just listened the interview, why didn’t you ask about Steve Jobs diets?
Now seriuosly, it sounds right, but didn’t anyone check the Youngevity video on http://www.drglidden.com?
I’m sorry but smells like a multi-level marketing scam, something like let’s say Herbalife 2.0.
Am I missing anything?
What are those 90 nutrients? An excuse to make loads of money?
Carlos is right, though… It does smell like a fishy pyramid scheme in the business aspect of “creating your own wealth” as FDI Youngevity claims. The products are probably beneficial, but you have to submit to that curious business model to buy any of the products, or so it seems.
My mom was involved with a similar health product pyramid scheme called Isagenix for awhile, and it definitely helped her become healthy and lose weight, as well as others who she sold it to, but it was a pyramid scheme nonetheless, and she was not making exorbitant amounts of money, if any at all.
The allopathic v. naturopathic/holistic information and explanation is still extremely important and useful, so, again, thank you.
Yes, we’re aware of the vitamins, which he discussed in the book AND I asked him directly in the interview. Amway has been around for 50 years, doesn’t mean it’s a scam. Herbalife has been around for ever too, and many people like it. Is it a scam? http://www.herbalife.com/ I understand why they’re trying to market it this way as a grass roots thing, but I don’t think that necessarily means that it’s a “multi-level marketing scam” – isn’t that a hasty generalization?
Dr. Glidden also mentioned 4 other companies you can buy the vitamins from that he trusts. :-/
Hello Jan,
Great interview as usual. I can’t seem to find a listing of the 91 essential minerals anywhere on the internet. Dr. Wallach’s products are extremely expensive! Do you recall the four other companies that Dr. Glidden mentioned in the interview? I am just trying to find a way to get essential minerals without becoming poor in the process.
I’ll ask Dr. Glidden for a list of the 91. I don’t recall, but you’re more than welcome to replay and post them up!
Thanks dude!
“60 essential minerals
12 essential vitamins
16 different essential amino acids (building blocks of protein)
3 essential fatty acids”
I have been listening to Dr. Wallach’s radio show for the last 7 weeks and have ventured into his archives quite a bit. He has addressed and spoken about the break down of the essential nutrients. One thing he addresses firmly is to understand the role that each mineral plays in the health of our bodies. For example, one of the minerals in the list of 60 is copper. I had a Naturopathic doctor in Toronto 10 years ago tell me, after doing some hair analysis, that I had too much copper in me and he wanted to proceed with Chelation therapy. I am glad I opted to go another route because Dr. Wallach has shown that copper IS an essential nutrient. Taken from Dr. Glidden’s website
“A deficiency in the mineral copper is the cause of gray hair. It is NOT due to aging, stress, nor is it genetic. Copper is necessary for the formation of melanin, which is the pigment that colors our hair and skin. If you run out of copper, your body cannot produce melanin, and you hair turns gray or white. Interestingly enough, copper is also necessary for the healthy function of the Thyroid gland, the elasticity of the skin, and the integrity of blood vessels. Hypo-thyroid conditions, hemorrhoids, varicose veins, spider veins, and aneurisms are all due, in large part, to uncontrolled, undiagnosed, copper deficiencies”
So, with each mineral in the list of 60, there are going to be a few that have gotten a bad rap from misinformation. But it has been fascinating to listen to the roll that each mineral plays in the body and how our body can create diseases from a lack of any of the 60 minerals and heal itself from those diseases once the minerals are reintroduced.
Keep an open mind, don’t put your logic before your grammar and enjoy new ways of thinking. I had to go though a matrix/paradigm shift after it really hit me just how messed up the “health care”
system has been. You want to talk about a Pyramid Scheme? How about you go to your doctor and he tells you that you have cancer and the ONLY option you have is Chemo, radiation and/or surgery. So he puts you on the Chemo and HE GETS PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY TIME YOU GET A CHEMO TREATMENT!!! The hospital and the Pharmaceutical company get their cuts too. Not only that, that’s not even the scary part…the scary part is that in some states like California, it’s illegal for a doctor to suggest alternative treatments that are not Chemo, radiation and surgery or anything to do with BigPharma! There are children who have been taken away from their parents and have been FORCED to have Chemo because the parents wanted to get a second opinion! You want to talk about a scam???!!! Our current medical system is a SCAM! WAKE UP! We need to move the Occupy movements from the government buildings and put them in front of hospitals! Allopathic medicine is killing more people then it’s helping and no one is doing anything about it! After Dr. Glidden helped me heal in less then 1 month what I was suffering from (at the hands of MD medicine) for too many years, I have become a believer.
I don’t know why people still talk about pyramid schemes. They’ve been illegal for about 30 years. MLM payout structures allow marketers at the bottom to make more than those above them, so by definition, they are completely different. I get the feeling the term “pyramid scheme” is thrown around loosely without knowing the real meaning of what it is. Grammar is key.
You’re right, Sandy. I think my naiveness of what a “pyramid scheme” entails is due to my younger age and definitely being influenced by that loosely used and catch-all phrase. I was under the impression that pyramid schemes might also have a product to offer and wasn’t just a promised service or payment. I see the difference now and definitely see how they can be conflated. I suppose what my mom was involved with was also just a MLM model and not a pyramid scheme like I thought.
Some people can have an indepentent business by working an MLM business model. It takes A LOT if work. It is a job like anything else. Someone has to have a thick skin and be willing to talk to everybody they meet. Stories of being successful working the business a few hours a week and becoming wealthy are simply not true. I am not familiar with the FDI/Youngevity program itself, but I have been involved with different MLM’s. My “smell test” is simple, “Can I make enough money by only selling the product?” In most MLM’s you can’t. They are structured so the the real money is in signing more marketers and making money off of all the starter kits and marketing materials for new members. The suppy chain isssues with MLM’s can also force the product price up to the point where many people are unwilling to pay for it. It’s pretty simple. The more people the profits flow through, the less profit any memeber in a down line receives. Most business are structured like this: Manufacturer—->Distributor—->Retail Outlet. That’s three tiers of businesses to pay. The MLM model has many more tiers – too many to make a liveable profit for most people..
MLM’s are a great way to build a large grass roots distribution network at little cost. It’s the tatics and promises of great wealth that I have found disingenuous. Again, I know nothing about this particular program, but wanted to share my knowlege of the MLM business model.
Please excuse my typos which always seem to appear after I have left a comment!
It was another great, revealing interview regardless of the MLM thing. Great job Jan!
The other companies Dr. Glidden said he trusted:
http://www.vitalnutrients.net
http://www.metagenics.com
http://www.thorne.com
Of the above, Vital Nutrients is the only one that sells direct to the consumer. Metagenics and Thorne are provided by health practitioners.
Dr. Glidden also stated that he did not like Thorn anymore, since they were purchased by Kikkoman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9BPOtuXIg&feature=player_embedded
LOL, that was a good one, Jan. Thanks for that. I see what you are implying, and I agree that you can make financial gains from a pyramid model depending on how productive you are. They just seem to be so easily manipulated as we have seen with other institutions that use similar pyramidal structures like the video hilariously references (the face mannerisms were especially comical).
After I posted my 2nd comment, I found some videos of people who were top earners for Youngevity, and they seemed to be doing pretty well for themselves. They definitely seemed to have that “go-getter” personality.
Actually, Dr. Glidden sent that for me to post to you guys. HE also said this:
“Illegitimi non est carborundum.
I would ask these folks to tell you the difference between a MLM business and a Pyramid scheme. When they cannot, ask them why Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, and Robert Kiyosaki are all advocates of MLMs [me: maybe not the best examples these days]. When they can’t answer this question, ask them what the Buy-In for an FDI/Youngevity MLM business is. When they can’t answer this, tell them it is just $10. Then watch their heads explode…
Confusing a MLM business with a Pyramid scheme is like confusing a Tiger with a Tabby cat. They are VERY different.
Multi-level marketing (MLM) is a business strategy in which the sales force is compensated not only for sales they personally generate, but also for the sales of others they recruit, creating a downline of distributors and a hierarchy of multiple levels of compensation.
In a Pyramid schmes, nothing is sold, and people are recruited-in with large investment requirements. A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public. Pyramid schemes are a form of fraud.
A MLM business is just another business structure, and there is nothing inherently good or bad with it. Neither is there anything inherently good or bad with owning a Franchise, or running a Kiosk in a mall, or developing Real Estate. These are all just different business types. They all have their own built-in risks and rewards.
Below is an excellent and funny video pointing out the blatant ignorance of people who confuse MLM’s with Pyramid schemes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce9BPOtuXIg&feature=player_embedded
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Dr. Glidden
Well, I’ll brush up on my grammar about MLM and see if I can figure it out. Thanks, Dr. G!
OK Jan, MLM is legit, but I wouldn’t put my mother in it.
Now, back to the REAL topic. What about critical thinking?
http://nutra-smart.net/al.htm
http://www.skepdic.com/wallach.html
http://www.skepdic.com/natpathy.html
http://www.ncahf.org/nl/1996/3-4.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colloidalminerals.html
Carlos, read the links. I already posted their answer to this.
I would like to point out that not one person has been reported to have ever died of taking vitamins or minerals…How many people die a DAY from Rx drugs?
What’s the name of the fallacy? Example : MLM’s are not scams. How do you know? Warren Buffet and Donald Trump ( who both own MLM’s) said so.
In this dualistic world – the best one can do is to seek to find a balance. OR one can do as Carlos says and say making money is evil thus working is evil. As silly as this sounds – it is the same logic spouted by carlos’s unbalanced mind.
I say the highest pay should go to those who actually help – NOT THE OPPOSITE as it is currently!
OPEN YOUR MIND! OR PUT INTO PRACTICE WHAT YOU SPOUT and see what happens to you….
What?! No patenting buttercups? Dammit, my plan is foiled!
EXCELLENT interview! Loved Dr. Glidden’s enthusiasm and fervency.
Definitely shared it on my Facebook. Thank you both.
BTW, sorry for bad spelling.
Here’s a link that Dr. Gliden just sent me for those who attack Dr. Wallach’s work:
http://www.longevitylibrary.com/article/30.htm
Is there an independent source/study for those 90 essential nutrients?
Is there an independent source/study for the good/bad foods?
I’m doing research on the 90. What they do is take what’s left of the body after cremation and base what the body needs on that. Others generally say that you only need 21 minerals and that the other 39 are pollutants. But being that there has been an effort to cover up this information, I can see that there is good cause to believe Glidden/Wallach.
As for the bad foods, it’s pretty much a no brainer:
Wheat
Barley
Rye
Oats, oatmeal – even if it says that it is Gluten Free.
Fried Food
Oils—cooking or salad. Yes, this includes Olive Oil!!!
Well done meat (rare or medium-rare is ok)
Deli Meat, any nitrates added to meat – tell your butcher NO NITRATES
Soda.
Skin of a baked potato (or yam, or sweet potato). If you boil a potato, you can eat the skins.
And Fallon, whom I’ve already had on the show, well endorses his claims on cholesterol and animals fats with primary documentation in her video The Oiling of America.
If you need independant studies that vegetable oils, soda pop, and Glutten, nitrates, etc is bad for you, then I can’t help you there, as that’s a no brainer.
No bread, no beer, but… is extra virgin olive oil also bad? Really? According to Sally Fallon it is not:
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303194521
“OLIVE OIL The type of fat which is in the adipose tissue is mostly monounsaturated. That is the kind of fat which is found in olive oil. Olive oil if it is properly processed, if it is extra virgin, is full of anti-oxidants. It is a traditional fat that has nourished people for thousands and thousands of years. It is the safest oil you can use, but it does promote weight gain, and in the Mediterranean countries the women do tend to gain weight in middle age.”
And, ironically, Sally thinks hemp oil is bad. Clearly we need more grammar on the oil / EFA issue.
I’d keep in mind that people’s bodies and their nutrient needs are very different, just like their reactions to drugs, based on genetic, epigenetic and environmental factors. A lot of mutation has occurred over the past 200,000 years of migration and harsh natural selection.
For some people, grains (a newer addition to the diet) are very healthful, and for others, gluten is lethal poison. Fruit is better for some, worse for others. Same with animal-sourced fats and proteins. Only people with a specific gene mutation can obtain benefits from dairy. Those raised on raw diets can be sickened by cooked food and those used to cooked food can have a hard time digesting raw foods.
I think that’s an important caveat to include frequently in this kind of discussion; to avoid blanket statements as much as possible.
This link take us to something that says “account has been suspended.” ???
Rockefeller’s Medicine Men (the book mentioned by Dr. Glidden in the interview):
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL4747269M/Rockefeller_medicine_men
What a great shedding of light on mainstream medicine by Dr. Glidden. This is the topic that I am most passionate about, because there is so much at stake here. Not only has the wool been pulled over our eyes, but we are also miserably sick and dying as well, and if we stay on this path, in danger of (self-inflicted) extinction as well.
I have to say that I have mixed reviews about some of the nutritional advice he had to say though. He says we can’t get the nutrients we need from food. I’d like to know what the basis of his claim is. I’m sure that’s true if you look at the average diet, but this is a blanket statement.
As far as the vegetarian and vegan diet being fine as long as you take supplements is another I have issue with. These diets are generally soy and grain-heavy to begin with, which suppress metabolic function and cause mineral deficiencies. There is no way anyone can get enough high quality protein (among other vital nutrients) from these diets. Not all proteins are created equal – there is a scale called BV (Biological Value) which measures the completeness of aminos as well as the bioavailability of proteins. Plant-based protein is sorely lacking in this area. Insufficient protein compromises liver function and cell repair, so the body goes catabolic in order to compensate–in other words, the body raises stress hormones adrenaline & cortisol and consumes its own tissue (muscle & connective mostly). (So veg*ns may not be eating animals, but they’re eating themselves.) Go online and look at photos of long-term vegans – you will see the same visual signs of catabolism: muscle wasting and drawn faces–kind of similar to the look of starvation. This is also why veg*ns take longer to heal from injuries as well as illnesses.
Check out this great book called “The Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith.
The fat soluble vitamins A, D, & K are only found in animal products. There is beta carotene in veggies, but children, the elderly, and people with sub-optimal liver function cannot convert it to vitamin A. SATURATED fat–not inflammatory, oxidating, metabilism-blocking polyunsaturated fat–is another vital nutrient that this diet lacks. That was a big miss on Dr. Glidden’s part, because PUFAS actually LOWER cholesterol. This is the last thing a veg*n needs.
Which brings me to the last thing I would like to bitch about: vegetable AND seed oils. What I have to say may be challenging, but if you truly are a critical thinker, I’m sure you can handle it.
ALL vegetable and seed oils (with the exception of olive) are highly polyunsaturated (PUFA). These oils are very fragile and unstable–and are damaged even before you buy them. They cause extensive oxidation to the cells in your body, including to the mitochondrion–basically the entire metabolic process: It interferes with the production of thyroid hormone; blocks the protein that transports thyroid hormone; blocks conversion of inactive thyroid hormone T4 to the active form T3, which is what your cells actually utilize; blocks T3 from getting into the cell; and blocks the cell from utilizing glucose as fuel. This can affect EVERY cell in your body, folks–brain…heart…nerves…muscles…organs…
Learn about the history of how the claim of the essentiality of these fatty acids came to be. Sally Fallon is most probably referring to the work of Chris Masterjohn, who put out his work some time after he responded to WAPF’s Dr. Mary Enig’s rebuttal to (biologist) Dr. Ray Peat’s work on the harmful effects of PUFA. Here are links to those pieces of work, with extensive references (including the history of how the EFA claim came to be) that your critically-thinking brains can look over and come to your own logical conclusions on:
The Great Fish Oil Experiment – Dr. Ray Peat http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/
fishoil.shtml
How Essential Are the Essential Fatty Acids? – Chris Masterjohn http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/PUFA-Special-Report.html
The Perils of PUFA: Oxidative Stress
Errors in Nutrition: Essential Fatty Acids
Precious Yet Perilous: Understanding the Essential Fatty Acids
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/?s=chris+masterjohn
Hi Sandy, we covered hemp seed and oil as a replacement for animal fat and protein. Maybe you’ve not studied the details of hemp seed nutrition. But the issues you raise is exactly why we talked about hemp seed being essential to a vegetarian diet.
I specifically challeged Fallon on her hemp and EFA information and provided her updated information. She was citing a Majorne recipe (which is to get you really high) as a food recipe. I sent the updated and correct information, but no one is challenging that these oils oxidize very quickly, which is why he said to use gel caps. I lived off of hemp seed for years – the unhulled kind – and it was very good and always made me feel great, but I agree that seed oils are bad.
I disagree that Omega 9 is not essential.
Hey Jan, that’s exactly my concern with that statement. The higher the PUFA content, the more prone to oxidation it is. Oxidation happens when the oil is exposed to oxygen and heat. So even if this is somehow avoided in the processing, it cannot be avoided once it’s exposed to body temp of 98.6 and the oxygen in our bodies.
Hemp seed oil is about 80% polyunsaturated, I believe the highest PUFA content of all the oils. That makes it the most unstable. Like many other substances, there is an upside and a downside that must be weighed–the balance tips way too far on this one in the direction of being harmful. Besides this, PUFA from hemp or any other source is no substitute for saturated fat. It just does not provide the cholesterol that the body needs for the CNS and for the steroidal hormones.
There is so much compelling evidence against the harmful effects of these fats (including the supplementation of EFAs vs. what we get from quality foods like grass-fed beef & dairy etc.) that I’d encourage you to stay open and at least take a look at the info.
I’m staying open, but when you say there is so much compelling evidence, I need to see more. When I was sick for 13 years, hemp seed was one of the few foods that could pull me out of a full blown episode, and I always felt better. In my early twenties I was into weight lifting and used a huge amount of hemp seed, during that time I never once got sick, had a head ache, or anything else. I was also eating meat then, but the hemp seeds were always a big boost. If you’re able to show that it can’t be absorbed, even in gel caps, etc, then I’d be very interested in seeing peer reviewed work on that and I’ll follow up with an interview to state clearly the position with whomever is the chosen expert. But my own experience through my 5 senses says that it’s good for you. Maybe the seeds are no problem, but the extracted oil is. More grammar needs to be done. Thanks for sharing, Sandy.
Sure. We can take it offline if you’d like. I don’t want to hog up the message board on this one topic.
“Go online and look at photos of long-term vegans – you will see the same visual signs of catabolism: muscle wasting and drawn faces–kind of similar to the look of starvation. This is also why veg*ns take longer to heal from injuries as well as illnesses.”
The athletic achievements of Brendan Brazier (Vega) stand as a stark counterexample to this premise.
Well, I have listened to this and yes I do agree with Dr. Glidden as he does confirm some of my suspicions about allopathic disease. However, I also have a bit of suspicion as Carlos has about supplements. If, as Dr Glidden suggests wood ash provides these supplements, then does that mean one would not have to take those made by companies who provide them,if one put wood ash on one’s garden? Would that be enough?
The other question I have is what are the 9 foods that one should not eat? He mentioned this, but there was no follow up.
Also, I find it a bit strange that herbalism was not discussed at all. Herbalism is also about vitalism and there are many websites dedicated to this method of curing and healing; some of whom, I would list, but hesitate since I do believe they are trying to operate under the radar, so to speak and one must seek them out. I realize that modern reductionist medicine is the ‘norm’ and that naturalpaths have to circumvent the linguistic legal definition, but there is a school of herbalism that takes the body’s reactions to herbs as indications of the need of that herb or not. What I mean is that some herbs taken when you are healthy produce very different reactions than when you are sick. This I have proven with myself. It is a fascinating field.
Also, I would like to know what are the 91 essential nutrients that one must have and how was this determined? Is this in his book or not? While I realize that everyone has to make a living in this capitalist society of ours, I sometimes wonder where the line of truth and exploitation exists.
The 9 foods mentioned are on his website and in the back of the book, that was my fault for not following up:
GOOD FOODS:
http://s.b5z.net/i/u/10079784/f/CLINICAL_NUTRITION_FOOD_PROTOCOL.doc
Eggs—soft scrambled in butter, soft boiled, poached
Butter
Salt
Dairy
Fish
Chicken
Pork
Lamb
Beef—rare/medium rare
Veggies
Fruit
Mixed, Salted Nuts—no peanuts
Nut Butters—no extra sugar
Rice
Millet
Pure Buckwheat (Isn’t wheat).
Beans
Couscous (made from pearl millet only).
Quinoa
Corn
Coffee, Tea, Green tea, Red wine.
4-8, 8oz glasses of filtered water each day. Avoid soft plastic bottles.
Lard!
20,000 ORAC points of antioxidants daily – Do a Google search for “ORAC food values” and figure out which foods to eat to get to this number.
Any carbohydrate (except oatmeal -see below) that is “Gluten Free” is OK.
BAD FOODS:
Wheat
Barley
Rye
Oats, oatmeal – even if it says that it is Gluten Free.
Fried Food
Oils—cooking or salad. Yes, this includes Olive Oil!!!
Well done meat (rare or medium-rare is ok)
Deli Meat, any nitrates added to meat – tell your butcher NO NITRATES
Soda.
Skin of a baked potato (or yam, or sweet potato). If you boil a potato, you can eat the skins.
And as far as woodash, I do believe that is what Dr. Glidden was saying.
The interview had nothing against herbalism. It was focused on revealing allopathy for what it is. It was already over 2 hours long, and we were hardly able to cover 1/10 of what I’d liked to have.
Replying to your last sentence “It was already over 2 hours long, and we were hardly able to cover 1/10 of what I’d liked to have.”
Perhaps a Peace Revolution weekend interview with you and the Tragedy and Hope gang speaking with Dr. Glidden, round table style discussion to address all these issues and get deeper into them. Ask Dr. Glidden to bring studies, findings and specific examples to reinforce his facts.
I believe you are right, in the two hours as deep as the interview went, it has only scratched the surface.
As far as the 9 foods to avoid, I gave them all up on SEPTEMBER 13TH 2011 when I first heard Dr. Glidden speak. Just quitting those foods has improved my overall feeling of vitality substantially…I will NEVER eat wheat again and I do not miss it one bit! When I learned exactly what the effects of these foods do to our bodies (ex. nitrates found in most deli meat actually clog the microscopic blood vessels of the liver and kidneys) there is just no looking back. I wish someone had given me this list years ago.
My apologies about the comment on herbalism. It was an excellent interview about allopathy and thank you for that and thanks for the lists of foods.
People are so indoctrinated about medicine.For me, it took a realization that my doctor did not know what he was talking about and to my amazement herbs cured what his medicine made worse. I do have a soft spot for herbs as a result.
Hopefully not getting into this conversation too late…
Cookbook lists like the above – good foods/bad foods – appear to be simple and easy to follow. However, if the list is considered to be comprehensive and universally applicable to people, it is simplistic. Why? Because there is no one list that applies to all people. Example – dairy is ‘good’. For people who lack the enzymes to break down the massive protein structures in cow dairy, dairy is ‘bad’. I’m one of them. Yes, I have tried all the types of cow dairy that are currently available. I live in Madison, WI and have easy access to very high quality dairy products. I stopped eating cow dairy and my chronic sinus congestion immediately cleared up and I dropped 40 points in my cholesterol without making any other changes.
Our digestive tracts and traits are not the same. The biggest differential seems to be dairy and grains. Most people digest one or the other well, few digest both well. To label one ‘good’ and one ‘bad’ completely misses the point, if the point is good nutrition.
We in the West have been overly fascinated with stuff for the last few hundred years. We continually fall back to matter as the root cause of our health, or the lack of it. Western nutritional science is one of the best examples of this type of thinking. On top of that, we tend to moralize; and that is especially true in nutrition.
Food is not ‘good’ or ‘bad’; food has energetic properties. Nutritionally, the easiest example of energetics is warming/cooling. A nice beef stew slow cooked all day is gently and deeply warming. On a cold winter day, this is ‘good’ for you. On a hot summer’s day, it’s ‘bad’ for you. I assume the reasons are obvious. A perverse example: eating ice cream on a hot summer’s day appears to be ‘good’. However the sweet dairy is very warming and is inappropriate on a hot summer’s day. One more: coffee is very stimulating. This can be ‘good’ for you if you are a lumberjack type who is slow starting the day, but can work like a diesel locomotive once you’re up and moving. The coffee will help get your motor running. However, if you’re a thin wiry type, you tend to be overstimulated and coffee will only exacerbate the situation.
With this said, I do think that a list like the above still has value. If you feel better trying it, something good is happening. I will likely experiment with some or all of it to explore the energetics and to see if it improves my health.
Samuel Hahnemann, founder of Homeopathy, elucidated a particular aspect of the energetics of matter for medicinal applications. It would be wonderful to see Naturopathic Physicians explore and extend this realm and move away from the lure of pharmaceuticals. By their training and inclinations, Naturopathic Physicians are uniquely qualified in this area. I hope this tiny argument helps to plant a seed.
Why would you want to drop 40 points in your cholesterol? Go back and hear my interview with Sally Fallon and see her film The Oiling of America. Cholesterol is good for you. Also, what Glidden is saying is that if you’re deficient in other vitamins and minerals, that your stomach wont digest and function properly, which might lead to say lactose intolerance. Note his discussion of wheat, et al.
Regarding wheat and it being good for you, Denise over at Raw Foods SOS shows that wheat creates a high spike in cancer, etc: http://rawfoodsos.com/
I think you’re missing the point of what Glidden was saying though, if your body can’t digest it well, it can’t. You can live on it for a while, but it catches up to you. Ice cream is quite the red herring to what was discussed.
I recommend you look more into gluten, especially the data on the site above. The more I look at it and the research, the more I’m shocked at what I find.
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
BTW, as we discussed in my interview with Fallon, John Robins of Diet For a New America lied about what caused the deaths in his family (Baskin Robins Ice cream). He omitted that the sugar was the cause, also chemicals and artificial flavors, etc. NOT the fat. He had an agenda to promote the vegan/vegetarian diet – which is a big scam. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Rothschild’s environmental fraud is behind it – see this UNCED video where Rothschild discusses it: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/22051/UNCED_Earth_Summit_1992__Pop_Reduction_Bank_Scams/
Thanks Jan. I am familiar with the cholesterol studies (Chris Masterjohn and Sally Fallon) and am in agreement with them. My cholesterol was in the high 200s while consuming cow dairy and is now in the 220 or so range, which feels right for me – by that I mean that my hormone production is strong and appropriate. Please also note my comment about sinus congestion. Cholesterol data is only one point.
I am investigating the possible lack of nutrients in my diet for some things I might have missed. I have been doing this type of investigation for 30 years. I eat food from my garden and food raised by people who know how to take care of the soil. I also include a wide-range trace mineral in the solarized/magnetized water I drink. It would be nice though to be able to properly digest any type of food, so I will continue to investigate.
The ice cream example was brought up to serve the good/bad point. Ice cream, like any other food, is neither good or bad. Ice cream – as sweet dairy – is deeply warming, though it appears to be cooling. If you don’t need warmth, like on a hot summer’s day, you’re putting a load on your spleen/pancreas/liver to deal with the extra warmth and sweetness. Please note I made no comment about wheat being good. To make a blanket statement that wheat is bad is likely over-reaching, though as I note, I will read the studies you cite, as well as experiment on myself to see how it all feels.
Overall I’m guessing I tried to cover too much ground in a single post, as I don’t think I got my point across to you. Food is not good or bad. Putting it into this category overly simplifies the situation. Think about the tremendous character variation in plant entheogens and the tremendous variation of the state of mind you’re in before ingesting them. This provides a clue to the relationship between a food’s energetic properties and how they interact with us.
Foods are warming or cooling, take energy in or move it out, warm the liver or cool it, etc. We are warm or cool, our anger is stored or surging, our love is flowing or locked up. These are states that need consideration when one is investigating the nature of food. Good and bad adds morality to a situation that does not call for it, muddying the analytical waters.
We are stuck in the land of chemistry. Even though most would acknowledge the field nature of reality, it does not carry through to nutrition particularly and our bodies more generally. Food – like all matter – is energetic (physics) first, and chemistry second. Nutritional analysis that knows how to handle the physics will subsume the chemistry. Nutritional analysis that only knows the chemistry, especially loaded down with morality, will never touch the energetics, and will be limited to a small subset of the tools necessary to create Health.
(adding to my note above)
As long as nutritional analysis is firmly wedded to chemistry – in this discussion macro-nutrients – the pharmaceutical companies will be on firm ground. Their forte is chemistry and their complete lack of understanding of energetics is evidenced by their utter inability to create health. As soon as there is a general understanding of the energetics of nutrition and health among enough people, the pharmaceutical companies will be up-rooted. Until then, they can dominate any conversation on the chemical substrate of our bodies and how better chemistry will mean better bodies.
Rawfood SOS – The China Study, Final Response.
Extremely well researched work and analysis by Denise Minger. My view of the population and study from 30,000 feet – they eat a lot of wheat flour, (relatively) small amounts of protein (meat and fish) and vegetables, almost no dairy and are becoming more western in their lifestyle. If my summation is incorrect, please point out the mistake(s).
If the summation is correct, I submit that the health problems described could easily be attributed to a diet far too high in carbohydrates, particularly refined as that is the typical form in Chinese food. To extrapolate to wheat as the cause seems unwarranted, or at least requiring further study. Unbalanced carbohydrate consumption causing serious health problems is well-documented.
I am in total agreement with her conclusion, especially here:
“Rather than studying the dissimilarities between healthy populations, perhaps we should examine their areas of convergence—the shared lack of refined carbohydrates, the absence of refined sweeteners and hydrogenated oils, the emphasis on whole, unprocessed foods close to their natural state, and the consumption of nutritionally dense fare rather than empty calories or ingredients concocted in a lab setting.”
I will continue to review her site. She’s quite the statistician and writes very well. She is obviously one of the people who does not digest wheat well. My wife is also. Estimates are that one third of the human population does not. Is this solely because their nutrient intake is insufficient? That seems a rather over-reaching conclusion.
Wow, in the two hours I spent listening to this podcast, all these other comments. Yes, I also recommend The Vegetarian Myth. Not only is soy bad for one, the mere fact that big bigness is exploiting the manufacture of it is cause for concern and when you read the ingredients of alot of foodstuffs, soy is there. Sally Fallon talks about fermented soy used with fish and not soy as in soy milk etc. You would not believe the people who have laughed at me for trying to warn them about unfermented soy or using it in ways that that the Japanese never used. I am so appalled at western science, I want to vomit.
Hi Rhonda, my sentiments exactly, re: western science. I loved the book The Vegetarian Myth, her realization that you cannot escape animal death, and the sacredness of the circle of life. I can’t believe how many times the author has been physically assaulted by angry vegans during her presentations. I know the feeling with the soy thing. I always remember the story of the natives’ inability to physically see the ships approaching the new world because their brains had no point of reference.
Here’s the link for that, sounds interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320723811&sr=8-1
You may also want to refer to Simon Fairlie’s recent publication http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/meat
I note there is one robustly critical review on Amazon of the Vegetarian Myth…
Vegans in particular hate her. She was physically assaulted with a pie laced with cayenne pepper at one talk. Some people take food to religious extremes. She told her story and gave her reasons. That is heresy you know. These people were supposed to be anarchists too. You know those people that believe in no rules. I guess they believe in their dogma though.
Thanks for your reply about vegan militancy Rhondda – that type of misplaced fanatical behaviour, if displayed by sincere individuals is probably attributable to their passionate feelings about animal cruelty. The review I refer to was actually very constructive, from an archaeological doctoral student researching hunter-gatherer diets.
Amazon UK has 14 reviews: 9 positive and one neg. The US site however has 153 reviews, what does that say?! In descending order rating from 5 Stars they sum as: 78;12;15;10;38.
The doctoral candidate’s review is very thorough, balanced and well worth reading
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3M4LC3USB5H3S/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3M4LC3USB5H3S
Yay Jan! Another paradigm shifting interview. I can not wait to read Dr. Glidden’s book and delve into his work. As a allopathic trained RN who rebelled against this model several years ago, I gained an even deeper understanding of the differences between allopathy, naturopaths, herbologists, & anthroposophical medicine, etc. I have been on the WAPF diet since shortly after you had Sally Fallon on your show. My health and the health of my family is forever changed, restored, and dynamically moving forward to this day as I continue to gain knowledge and incorporate more and more of Sally’s (and of course Dr. Price’s research & the work of Dr. Thomas Cowan who wrote the campanion book “The Fourfold Path to Healing” to Sally’s “Nourishing Traditions”) nutritional philosophy into my life. The WAPF advice is to incorporate 11 total tablespoons of fat per day into the diet. These include a range of Polyunsaturated fats equal to 1 Tbls of cod liver oil, flax, evening primrose, black currant & borage oils, then 4 Tbls of momounsaturated olive, peanut, sesame, lard, fat in the skin of birds & some other oils from seeds and nuts, then 6 Tbls of saturated fats from coconut, butter, animal fats and the butter fat in whole milk products. This equals the 11 Tbls needed. Then Dr. Glidden lists “oils” on his bad food list. I can not agree with this. Obviously, oxidation is a huge problem that has to be dealt with by different types of air tight packaging but this does not mean these oils are any less necessary. Also, along with Sandy’s comments above I have issue with his blanket statement that “it is impossible to get all 91 essential nutrients without supplementation.” Maybe we are splitting hairs as I am fully aware that it is most difficult today to obtain foods from animals or the soil that are not depleated in something. However, in a more perfect world where soil is replenished as WAPF advocates for real true sustainablility it seems logical to me that individuals can get ALL the nutrients they need from whole foods. No indiginous culture ever supplemented with man made vitamins to obtain their superior level of health. It seems to me that a more natural solution to vitamins is focusing on restoring soil so Mother Nature has HER building blocks available to imbue our veggies, fruits, grains, and animals with the proper components naturally. I impatiently await the next interview where Dr. Glidden will get into vitamin manufacturing more.
I enjoyed this MOST of this interview. Dr. Glidden’s information on diet and the characterization of allopathic medicine as “disease management” was spot on. His comment on the 3rd leading cause of death being MD’s (I think he said it over 20 times in 60 minutes – wow every 3 minutes, sound like an NLP technique)did not represent the study which he drew the data from. The data he’s referring to was published in JAMA in 2000. Dr. Glidden has a link on his website. The article discussed medical errors and the people performing the error were not parsed out. It would include anyone working a “disease management” setting. MD’s, DO’s, RN, pharmacists, phlebotomists, respiratory technicians etc. The statement he made that if ND’s ran the medical system that this would not happen is an assumption the ND do not commit errors – I doubt that is true.
Please understand, as a practicing allopathic physician – I agree wholeheartedly with the points Dr. Glidden made, especially the points about nutrition and so-called healthcare being more akin to “disease management”, but his generalizations about the profession and fallacious soundbites that sound like they’ve been pulled off network television, make me suspicous of his intentions. If his intention is truly to revolutionize the way we look at treating diseases, then an aggresive and insulting approach medical doctors will not engender much support.
For someone espousing a holistic approach, it seems antithetical to be confrontation rather than him making an effort to find the MD’s who approach medicine in a similar manner and working together to change public perception of healthcare. I imagine the former sells more vitamins
I’ve been practicing medicine for over 15 years and began incorporating so-called “alternative” modalities for past 7 years. I am not the 1 out of 1000 doctors that does this. I would estimate that at least 25% of my colleagues are now doing this. The reason – it works. Most MD’s are practical people who do for their patient’s whatever will work. Most MD’s beleive to first do no harm. Most MD’s are well aware of the limitations that exist in allopathy. I believe the reason most American do not see this in their own doctors is that most Americans see their MD through an HMO – If that’s your health insurance, don’t be suprised if your MD is incompetent. HMO doc tend to be the bottom of the barrel for skill level and diagnostic ability. They tend to follow the “cookbook” and the “cookbook” was written by BigPharma.
I’ve been following Dr. Wallach’s (Glidden’s self proclaimed mentor) stuff for years and I detected the same RHETORIC from Glidden. Inciting a sensationalistic “us vs. them” mentality with an epilogue of VITAMINS FOR SALE. Not a straight sales model, like go down to the store and pick up a bottle of Dr. Wallachs formula. It always a MLM model. Why the complicated structure?
The paradigm that Dr. Glidden puts forward that you either choose an ND for a beautiful, happy, rosy life or an MD for a dark, gruesome life in the bowels of hell is bunk (perhaps I exaggerate a bit). All the different schools of medicine have things to offer and the patient should take from all fields.
At the start of the interview, I was excited to hear about what Glidden had to say. By the end, I realized it was another guy hawking vitamins.
Jan – I think your show is great and you have a keen intellect. Why didn’t you call him on some fallacies? I’ve heard you pull them out of your ass with ease on prior shows. Are you now a proud distributor of Youngevity products?
Where did I ever, even once, promote Youngevity products? I asked Dr. Glidden if he had a conflict of interest. Just post corrections you find and don’t make your own fallacies or leaping to conclusions.
Sorry Jan – I placed the last bit about Youngevity in jest.
My point, and perhaps I should have been more succinct, was about the “3rd leading cause of death is MD’s” mantra.
Dr. Nikogosian, thank you for your general feedback. I see and understand the points of concern you raise. However, I should point out that Dr. Glidden also praises many areas of allopathy, and obviously gives the MDs full praise for trauma medicine/surgery.
He also discusses why he’s concerned how many MDs apply these treatments. In some respects I agree with what he says about the nutrients and our food being deficient, which certainly sells vitamins, but people have posted here that they’ve used his and it’s helped them. I would think especially when people are sick and in need of rejuvenation, his approach seems rather common sense. However, I think I agree with Sally Fallon and nurse Kim above, that we should be able to get most of our nutrients from food.
I intend to dive deeper into this subject.
As I understood it from something I read from Forbes or someplace years ago, was that you allopaths are only the 7th or 8th leading cause of death. My own experience having seen a dozen MDs in the US regarding my stomach problem, most of them were incompetent. Is it a hasty generalization to say that HMO doctors are generally incompetent?
But the matter of where allopathic deaths lie needs to be looked into further. I see many doubting that number. Glidden has been good with providing his source materials to me, so maybe we can ask him about that in part 2 of his interview.
And as you’re an MD, if you feel confident to present, let’s talk.
Thanks for taking the time to provide your feedback.
Let me get a copy of the original JAMA article (it been a few years since I’ve read it) and I’ll dissect it and present it for your review. I’ll also search for the literature for any other article which are similar.
Please let me remind you, I’m not Marcus Welby MD. I’m a big advocate for change in our medical system and see eye to eye with Dr. Glidden on about 80% of the topics you discussed with him.
Jan,
OK, here’s what I got.
The source material Dr. Glidden uses to make the claim that MD’s are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US was based on a commentary titled “Is US Health Really the Best in the World” published in JAMA 2000 284(4)pp 483-485
This piece was not accepted by JAMA as original research or even a meta-analysis of other data, but rather as a commentary. Dr. Starfield’s point in writing the commentary was to point out deficiencies in US healthcare and to tone down some of the bravado many American doctors and patients had about the quality of US healthcare about 10 years ago (I do not believe anyone in their right mind possesses this self deception today).
The core data used by Dr. Glidden to make the claim that MD’s are the 3rd leading cause of death is as follows:
12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections
106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications
225,000 deaths/year total
This data was drawn from various sources ranging from 1993 to 1998 and the numbers are not distinguished by year. For the sake of clarity and ease, I used the mortality figures from 2000 which was the year the article was published. For the sake of comparision, I also pulled the 2007 numbers and they were essentially the same. My point being, 2000 mortality figures are about as valid as any other year around there.
#1 cause of death: Heart Disease (710,208)
#2 cause of death: Malignant Neoplasm (552,988)
#3 cause of death: Cerebrovascular (167,535)
#4 cause of death: Chronic Lower Resp.Dz (121,971)
#5 cause of death: Unintentional Injury (96,934)
and so on
OK, so 225,000 deaths clearly puts that in 3rd place.
My only contention with the number is placing blame on MD’s for things such as errors and nosocomial infections.
Errors made up 27,000 deaths (actually higher by estimates in other studies). I don’t beleive any group can points fingers at errors – as long as humans are part of the equation, errors happen. Secondly, this data did not distinguish MD’s from any other hospital personnel. I think it is reasonable to discount that number from the MD “death toll” and instead placing into the general human category of UNINTENTIONAL INJURY.
Including numbers from nosocomial infections as if an MD popped into some poor souls room at night and inoculated him with MRSA because of his poor technical and philosophical training is unfair. Nosocomial infections are a product of placing hundreds of sick people into one building. Many people are critical of how hospitals are structured when delivering care or transmitting infection, but few have posited a solution on how else you can care for critically ill people with only a limited number of trained staff. Nosocomial infections are taken care of by antibiotics. The ones that are lethal are typically the antibiotic resistant strains of microbes. Dr. Glidden agreed with allopathic methods to treat infections with antibiotics, as it is one of the few things we are “allowed” to cure. Microbes want to survive like the rest of us and will do what it takes to continue reproducing, which includes breeding resistance to antibiotics. You can’t say a group has a valid treatment and then take inevitable repercussions from that treatment and throw in the face of the group. I’m not sure which of the trillion fallacies out there that it is – but it sure sounds like one.
So if you take those number out you get:
118,000 deaths per year – only the 5th cause of death in the USA.
Wow “good going” allopathy.
Those number are still pitiful – I could probably get a few my Sophist colleagues to massage the numbers to drop it to even 6th or 7th cause – but it’s still horrible.
Dr. Glidden needs to differentiate traditional MD’s from the ones more open minded to different therapies. This aggressive polarity he is espousing certainly endears him to all those patient’s who have been wronged by some MD quack somewhere, and probably sells vitamins, but it isn’t going to change the system.
Dr. Glidden’s point is important and should be heard – the current medical system is a menace and needs to be changed. It will not be changed from halls of medical schools or the CDC or drglidden.com. It can only be changed by patient’s refusing to take part in the current system and medical practitioners collaborating to offer those patients a viable option.
I hope this was helpful. I going to go take my vitamins now.
Well said. I also thought that Dr. Glidden’s approach was too strident at times regarding allopathic medicine. I commend his fervor, but a more balanced approach might serve to reach a wider audience.
As far as I know, there is only the one JAMA study regarding the number of iatrogenic deaths. I wish there were more studies, but I can’t see anyone funding that one. When I look at the number of people on pharmaceutical medications though, I do think that there is a serious problem. It would be great to have data, but…
I’m not big on the MLM model either, but will likely try the supplements to see if they deliver the results claimed. Meanwhile, I’m working on the soil in my garden to raise its health.
Yes, I agree. Dr. Glidden sounded like a used car salesman/born again christian at times although I would agree with his opinion of the medical profession in general being controlled by big pharma and that the source of most illness is bad diet.
Very interesting episode, thank you Jan.
I listened to Daphne Miller’s “Jungle Effect” talk on Authors at Google a while ago about indigenous diets, very worthwhile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCnlHXGAJVE
I’m not entirely convinced we’re getting the whole story about grains. The staff of life ‘n all that. Six millennia of olive oil, seafood, wine and bread should have taught us something. I think the way food is grown (organically) and consumed socially is absolutely relevant and critical. Traditional natural artisan bread is leavened of course, and oats are cooked with milk, so surely this modifies the protein structure? Why would olive oil be bad and hemp oil good? The wood ash idea is excellent. It was discovered in the UK some time back that rock dust from quarries was a remarkable plant nutrient.
Far better to get your nourishment from the shared community table than a proprietary source.
Andrew Weil’s work is extremely valuable in my opinion, he has collaborated a great deal with Paul Stamets on mycomedicinals.
So is Bruce Lipton’s understanding of cell ecology, pretty amazing stuff.
I’d been hearing for years about the importance of humates in the garden so last year I went to IFA (Intermountain Farmers Association) to buy a bag. I guess it was about 30 bucks but for a pretty heavy bag at least 15 lbs. It had a kind of ashphalt smell and it was like greasy crushed shale. It was disapointing when I mixed it with water and found it completely insoluble. The soluble stuff must be treated with strong chemicals to make it soluble. I’m guessing drano or lye. I spread it around but threw a few cups in my rain barrel. Despite rinsing it out I could still smell it in the barrel this year. I do not think it smells wholesome but I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually contained the diversity of trace elements atributed to it. Putting it in a ball mill to make it a fine powder and or mixing it with homemade wood lye seems like a good experiment now. They used to say it was a good idea for children to eat a little coal for minerals. Humates from shale are just rock. It may serve the same purpose as drinking muddy river water.
I was all on board until hearing he believed in homoeopathy. You have to “believe” in homeopathy since there’s no evidence that it works, and the theories behind it have no basis in reality.
His other views made sense and I’ve seen hard evidence to support them, but not so with homoeopathy. I’ve looked for evidence that homoeopathy works, I really have. I even got to personally do an informal double-blind test but it failed.
Worse, calling the unsubstantiated ideas “laws” has to fit a fallacy somehow. Sure sounds official, but they’re made up.
Very interesting interview otherwise. Thanks as usual Jan! Yet more threads of research and piles of reading to go through!
p.s. From the photo of Dr. Glidden, it looks like his has a creeping “copper deficiency” showing up in his hair!
You may find this useful Greg: from the Institute for Science In Society website, Dr Mae-Wan Ho has been researching these questions for many years
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Quantum_Coherent_Water_Homeopathy.php
Homeopathy does not fit the conventional model of biomedical science. Its principles and applications do not fit the ‘gold standard’ double blind methodology. However, there are 200 years of data demonstrating results. The conventional model cannot handle that data, so excludes it. Results at the end of the day are all that matters. Go see a good homeopath, or next time you break a leg or have some other clear physical trauma, take a 200C of Arnica montana as instructed on the label and come back and report your results.
You know, now that I think about it, when my son was teething, we used to go to the grocery store and buy these homeopathic tooth ache pills for children. They worked great. Ironically, they were based on belladonna.
Great interview. I felt really positive about all he was saying, until he said (paraphrase) you can’t be totally healthy without supplementation-and by the way, I sell supplements. That being said, I’d like to try some of these supplements.
John
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview. Glad to see the recent interviews relating to food/nutrition; it’s a subject that I am very interested in.
An ‘ah ha’ moment for me was when Dr. Glidden mentioned wood ash. Wood ash has been traditionally used by Native Americans in the preparation of corn into hominy (and from there into masa tortillas if they so desired). Most people think of corn as yellow, sweet and tender ; corn eaten this way is termed “sweet corn”. But what i’m talking about is indian corn, that brightly colored hard corn that most of us are familiar with from thanksgiving decorations. Yes, that is what the indians ate; but it had to be processed first before eating it. Maize(the proper term for corn) had to be soaked in a mixture of water and wood ash in advance before consumption.
Properly concentrated, wood ash and water form a naturally caustic chemical called potassium hydroxide (colloquially, potash) that dissolves pericarp (the cellophane stuff that gets stuck in your teeth when you eat popcorn) straight off the kernels.[Source: http://www.ansonmills.com/recipes-hominy.htm
This releases nicotinamide (vitamin B3), which otherwise remains bound up in the grain. Soaking also improves the amino acid quality of proteins in the germ.[Source: Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon]
Also i’d like to bring to the attention of the reader, that native americans cleared fields by a method of controlled burning which has been termed slash and burn. This was known to enrich the soil.
While I’m on the topic I might as well add that the Native American way of agriculture was quiet different from our own. Today, we grow our gardens and fields in neatly ordered rows with each section only containing one plant. The native american way of growing was …surprize! completely different. Maize was grown in raised mounds with beans and squash(these three crops were referred to as “the three sisters”). The maize stalk provided the bean vine something to climb upon, and the squash vine provided ground cover so the earth around the plants didn’t become dry. By growing these plants together the soil remained much more fertile than it would if only one plant was grown. Also I should add, Beans and corn are complementary proteins. Maize was a staple crop for many First nations tribes and was referred to as a “mother”.
I think that it is possible to get all the nutrients the body needs from whole foods and wholesome spring water. But I believe this requires a fundamental change in our connection to food sources. Only a few generations ago people were still foraging, hunting, and gathering from their local environment. Anyone who has looked into wild nutrition knows that the nutrients found in wild plants far exceeds that of domesticated plants in most if not all cases. I think that if people hunted, fished, and foraged; while growing food locally and sustainably and using methods to revitalize the soil; and, also, processed foods properly(and used techniques like fermentation); while acquiring pristine water from natural sources…then yes, it seems to me that people could reach all there nutritional needs. I believe if someone wanted to show/document/prove that the human body could subsist on food, without the use of supplements, with no deficiencies then they would have to look in this direction.
Also, It seems pertinent to add that Native American wild food sources were not gathered in a haphazard way. They knew where certain colonies of wild plants grew and they manage these colonies…a sort of natural garden if you will.
For more information along these lines I suggest “The Forager’s Harvest” and “Nature’s Garden” by Samuel Thayer. Also Green Deane’s youtube channel EATTHEWEEDS: http://www.youtube.com/user/EatTheWeeds
And also youtube video’s by Arthur Haines and Daniel Vitalis.
[Masa tortilla information source: http://www.ansonmills.com/recipes-tortillas.htm
Thanks, Matt. I think you’ve just proved yet another point of Glidden’s. I really appreciate that.
Now we’ll see if Dr. Nikogosian, below, can dig up data on allopaths being the #3 cause of death or not. If Glidden backs that one up, then that’s about the last contention against his work. If not, then that’s 1 error against him from the entire thing. That’s pretty clean by any standard.
The cell membrane is not made of cholesterol. It contains some cholesterol.
Jan, I’m wondering what evidence you would point someone toward who was skeptical about the efficacy of extremely diluted medicine.
Thanks
As I’m no homeopath, I would ask Glidden for such a source.
tao of herbs at 1-888-828-8228 or http://www.taoofherbs.com/ is a place I trust for omegas 3,6,7, and 9. They sell some awesome seabuckthorn berry oil in capsules and in bottles and manuka honey which is phenomenal, you can use the honey to heal paper cuts and small injuries that you would use a band aid for. I used it on a blister I got from playing tennis and it healed painlessly in a few days. I had an awesome breakfast with bacon and eggs while I listened to this interview. And I save the bacon grease. My family throws it out but i save it and will use it. Jan, you do a great job, I suppose you would say that you do what a real human would do in the situation we are in, but good job anyway.
Ok, here’s the list of 90 that Dr. Glidden sent me yesterday. Sorry for the delay.
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/txtfiles/EssentialNutrients.docx
thanks been looking all over the place for these
I liked this interview. I have one question to consider. Having followed Fallon’s work for awhile and finding it quite beneficial, I wonder about Dr. Glidden’s list of bad foods including whole grains. Fallon’s book promotes the use of fermented whole grain foods, like sourdough bread, etc. Is he refering simply to non-fermented grain products? I don’t care really, since my five senses confirm that these foods are healthy for me. But that was the one question I was left with after listening.
Steve, the more I look at wheat, the more I realize that it’s another huge lie. Glidden is spot on. And maybe, like soya, you can consume it fermented, but it’s best just to stay away.
Nearly all heart disease, cancer, et al, can be traced to wheat:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
Denise, the author, will be on next week.
Well, that covers wheat. I can understand that. Wheat has been so hybridized and fiddled with that it can’t be digested properly, is what I’ve heard. But what about oats, barley, rhy, etc? I noticed that in nourishing traditions Fallon gives the option of spelt for almost all, if not all of the grain recipies.
The idea that gluten, and similar protiens attack the receptors in the intestine makes some sense. Gluten intolerance, or celiac disease is becoming more and more common/diagnosed. Lots of people find the tests inconclusive, but stop anyhow and find the symptoms aleiviated. Some say that eliminating wheat from your diet alows you to gain, or lose desired weight. All of this definately indicates that there is a problem with wheat.
So, perhaps what is happening with people who supposedly can tolerate these protiens is that they are suffering from symtoms which have simply not come into prominence yet, but will in time? Or symptoms they don’t associate with it, such as fatigue, or other chronic, mental symptoms?
Either way another peice of the puzzle comes more into focus. Thanks Jan.
Steve, I think that conclusion is spot on. The exact same happened with me. I was sick for 13 years, went to south America to get cured in 2009, but lately I lost 18 pounds and was getting sick again but the symptoms were different. After reading Glidden’s book I removed it from my diet, and sure enough, within 2 or 3 days, symptoms started clearing up.
I was a big whole grain guy and hate white bread. I love bread, but now I’m going to reduce it to a couple / few times a month with company, at dinner, deserts and the like. The rest of the time it’s out.
BTW, the woman who wrote that, Denise, presented at the Westin A Price Foundation meeting in Dallas this weekend. So they’re on board with her work too. Again, she’ll be a guest next week.
Suffered from eczema for about 3 years. The MD prescribed cortisone cream. It eventually stopped working. The itching drove me completely mad. I’d wake up scratching my arms creating sores all over my arms. I started researching and trying everything that sounded reasonable. I finally found some clinical research studies showing hemp oil was effective at treating eczema.
A $10 bottle of hemp oil cured my eczema. Praise the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I take it everyday. My skin’s overall appearance and health has definitely improved.
After listening to Wallach on AJ, I started researching the 91 essential mineral and vitamins. Ori Hofmekler discusses radiation protection and discusses the need for all 91 essential mineral and vitamin can be obtained through organic whey. Much cheaper than Wallach!
http://www.ediblenature.com/Whey-powder-CERTIFIED-ORGANIC-1-lb-package.html
Alternatives to Iodine for Protection Against Radiation
Internationally renowned natural health physician and Mercola.com founder Dr. Joseph Mercola and Ori Hofmekler discuss the alternatives to iodine for protection against radiation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7smOJzYUtFw
Total Fat 0g 0%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 220mg 9%
Total Carbohydrate 15g 5%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Sugars 14g
Protein 3g
Vitamin A 0% ďż˝ Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 15% ďż˝ Iron 0%
How is that?
I am very sorry for the long post. I promise that I have read over this many times and have tried to make this post as concise and readable as possible.
I had never heard of the Flexner Report or the (somewhat perjorative) term “reductionism.” I was very interested to hear Dr. Glidden’s description of the state of medicine at the turn of the century. Through poking around reading about the Flexner Report, I was led to Eclectic Medicine, which I had also never heard of.
I was recently in a calculus class at a major university in New York. 99 % of my classmates in that class were Pre Med. It was quite difficult to see exactly how complex mathematics might relate to the practice of medicine. It was obvious that this class was simply being used to weed out med school applicants. Given my previous experience with doctors, this calculus class solidified my impression of them as simply belonging to an elitist trade union more intent on making a buck than interacting in a meaningful way with a patient.
So I am no fan of Western Medicine. That said, Dr. Glidden’s characterization of curing chronic illness as being “easy as falling off a potato truck” seemed a bit disingenuous…but who knows…maybe he knows something I don’t.
However, I have lengthy personal experience with alternative medicine for a chronic complaint. I had occasion to visit a variety of alternative medical practioners in an attempt to treat this chronic illness which I had been suffering from for years. While each of these practioners was well-intentioned, none of them could effect a solution/cure/resolution. Eventually I was led to treat the problem by surgery. I still think that my complaint could have been solved with methods akin to homeopathy or naturopathy. But you have to find the right doctor and that is not easy.
To be able to effectively treat any one illness (let alone the infinite variety of illnesses that might show up on the doorstep of the practicing physician) is a gift. Just because you went to an expensive medical school, or studied a bit about herbs, or made a name for yourself in the field of medicine, alternative or otherwise, does not mean you have this gift anymore than going to music school or having a hit record means you can make good music.
I ferverently wished to be able to tell a story like Jan did in the interview, where he found a naturopath who gave a correct dianosis and went down to Peru for a cure, or the one that Dr. Glidden told where he went to a homeopath and was given a medicine that caused an immediate purge and cure.
I can only tell a story of failure, lost money and time. Who knows, maybe Dr. Glidden could have helped. Maybe not.
It is a fantasy to think that MDs, like McCoy on Star Trek, can subject patients to a standardized machine for 100% correct diagnosis. It is equally a fantasy to believe that a serious illness can always be treated with a few herbs. I say all this at length because it will matter to someone. To actually have a serious illness is terrifying, as is thoughtfully mentioned in the interview. We want so badly to beleive the man in the white coat, or the nice herbalist, can help us….
Wood ash…..hmmmmm.
Jan was very careful to point out the potential conflict of interest. He did his job, whether you believe that conflict exists or not is your business. I must say, though, that I hear a bit of a sales pitch here. But given the amount of other interesting and useful information in this interview, I don’t think its a big deal.
It appears that Shulgin did not “invent” MDMA. I can not find anything in a cursory search on the net that says that MDMA was developed as an intimacy drug as is claimed in this podcast by Dr. Glidden. Says on Wikipedia that it was discovered by Merck in 1912 by a chemist looking for a remedy for abnormal bleeding. Really? I see nothing to back up the claim that it was ever intended for clinical use as an intimacy drug. Surely someone on this forum can answer that definitavely…..
Paul, thank you for sharing. I can relate to your tone of defeat in your post. As I shared above I had suffered from uncontrolable wight gain, out of controll blood sugar and chronic adrenal fatigue for years. I tried everything, conventional and unconventional that I could get my hands on to gain my health back. You stated above “…So I am no fan of Western Medicine. That said, Dr. Glidden’s characterization of curing chronic illness as being “easy as falling off a potato truck” seemed a bit disingenuous…but who knows…maybe he knows something I don’t…” I can see how being on the outside looking in, that Dr. Glidden’s statement could come across as disingenuous, however, having stepped through the looking glass I have personally experienced my body healing from all three chronic illnesses, with ease! Everyday, since I started healing after Dr. G helped me, I’ve felt like an alumni of Plato’s cave, rushing back in to shake some sence into my former cave mates. I’ve been afraid that my enthusiasm comes across as a little “sales pitchy” at times. It’s just so hard to hold back from sharing so passionately when I have finally had positive healing results!!! Having said that and having had personal contact with Dr. Glidden, I think his passion and excitement may have been misinterpreted. So far he has personally helped my husband, my best friend and myself gain control of and reverse some pretty narley issues. I look forward to continuing to work with him and help my friends and family with their health. If you have any questions about what i’ve been doing we could speak offline if you would like. :^)
aluminum is a daily metal we need to consume?!!
Chemtrails should give us enough. I all ways thought, based on research I’ve heard that aluminum has no function in the body. Does anyone( Glidden/Wallach) have evidence proving otherwise before we all start consuming it.
Thanks
We discuss this in part 2, due out as soon as I’m done editing.
Evolutionary context.
I had some thoughts
one of the statements that is made in the vegetarian myth is: we where hunters and fish eaters so we should eat more meat as thats how we are evolutionary programed we where hunters for most of the time. the dutch professor Muskiet has the same opinion.
Vegans say counter to this argument.. yes but if you look further back we where fruit eaters and vegetables eaters so maybe we should get back to that ( there is an very interesting article written on this there is an interesting article written by Tony Wright where he points out that he thinks the place where the brain is developed was a jungle with allot of fruit. He links fruit with all its hormones ( fruit being a reproducing system) to the gigantic growth to our brain. that was resulting in a state of complete awareness but falling from paradise by disaster we went trough the hunting phase to the grain phase and now we are here..! and ego rules the world… http://beyond-belief.org.uk/node/25
( its a great article read it if you have the time..
So if our grand grand grand( etc) parents lived in tropical forest
it makes sense that these minerals that seem to be found in wood ( as he state those who cook on wood are better of)
A forest sustains it self building up soil layers not losing them as it happens with agriculture. these top layers are full of minerals
So all fruits and plants and animals found in these woods would contain more minerals.. making the humans living in the forest far more healthy than those who are living in the agricultural way.. Point is we lived more time in forest than where ever else forest is our natural habitat. actually thinking about it : its not that long ago the world was covert with mainly forests..
If you think about it you then come close to forest gardens instead of farms.
Will post this at the other interview.. as this discussion seems to be moved to that place…
Douwe Jan
Thanks for sharing. However, that’s been refuted. See my interviews with Sally Fallon.
Is granola ok? I have been substituting granola for cereal (I use to eat a lot of post grape-nuts) What about hot 7 grain and 10 grain cereal instead of oatmeal?
Thanks
Uh, no. I thought he made that clear. Grape nuts = wheat. Most granola = oats. Both contain Gluten. Most grains are bad. There’s a handful that aren’t: millet, quinua, rice, buckwheat, maybe a few others. Also check out Dr. Davis’s interview.
Ok, Thanks Jan for the clarification.