Comments for Gnostic Media http://www.gnosticmedia.com Research & Publishing with host Jan Irvin Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:39:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 3 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 2” – #137 by Brian http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam_pt_2#comment-3083 Brian Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:39:53 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2437#comment-3083 Yes, I should have thanked you as well Ben for this post. I have saved a copy of it in my Pearl Harbor file and look forward to exploring it in full detail. Yes, I should have thanked you as well Ben for this post. I have saved a copy of it in my Pearl Harbor file and look forward to exploring it in full detail.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 3 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 2” – #137 by Brian http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam_pt_2#comment-3080 Brian Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:56:13 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2437#comment-3080 Well, I guess Jan is not going to reply. So I will just point out that one of the purposes of Ron Paul's bill was to remove the limitations on the audit of the Fed contained in subsection (b) of Section 714 of Title 31. These limitations are significant, here is the language of this subsection. (b) Under regulations of the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall audit an agency, but may carry out an onsite examination of an open insured bank or bank holding company only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing. Audits of the Board and Federal reserve banks may not include— (1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization; (2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, and open market operations; (3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or (4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to clauses (1)–(3) of this subsection. So I am asking Jan to clarify his characterization of this bill as not changing anything. If we have our grammar wrong, don't we need to correct it. Perhaps Jan is referring to some of legislation. Well, I guess Jan is not going to reply. So I will just point out that one of the purposes of Ron Paul’s bill was to remove the limitations on the audit of the Fed contained in subsection (b) of Section 714 of Title 31. These limitations are significant, here is the language of this subsection.

(b) Under regulations of the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall audit an agency, but may carry out an onsite examination of an open insured bank or bank holding company only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing. Audits of the Board and Federal reserve banks may not include—
(1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization;
(2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, and open market operations;
(3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or
(4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to clauses (1)–(3) of this subsection.

So I am asking Jan to clarify his characterization of this bill as not changing anything. If we have our grammar wrong, don’t we need to correct it. Perhaps Jan is referring to some of legislation.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 2 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 1″ – #136 by spiritsplice http://www.gnosticmedia.com/larken-rose-interview-pt-2-government-the-fallacy-of-ad-verecundiam-pt-1-136/#comment-3078 spiritsplice Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:45:26 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2424#comment-3078 You make no sense. You say "if we had corporations with no checks", yet this is what cronyism is and what we *do* have. What we do not have is capitalism. We have government sponsorships that are labelled capitalism, big difference. In true capitalism the checks come from consumers who can withold their purchases if displeased with a companies actions. Corporations are huge polluters and destroyers of the environment *right now* withen your pretended government intervention is keeping them in line. They aren't. It is cheaper to pay the fines than change how they do business, guess which they choose? Monopolies are only inevitable when government rigs the playing field through regulations. Every monoply crumbles in time *except* where government becomes involved to ensure its survival. And if it weren't for the phony concept of "intellectual property", competition would be booming. And before you cry blasphemy at the notion that patents amd copyrights are not legitimate, I remind you that governmemt never forces something on the people that is in their best interests nor uses guns to enforce it. You make no sense. You say “if we had corporations with no checks”, yet this is what cronyism is and what we *do* have. What we do not have is capitalism. We have government sponsorships that are labelled capitalism, big difference. In true capitalism the checks come from consumers who can withold their purchases if displeased with a companies actions. Corporations are huge polluters and destroyers of the environment *right now* withen your pretended government intervention is keeping them in line. They aren’t. It is cheaper to pay the fines than change how they do business, guess which they choose?

Monopolies are only inevitable when government rigs the playing field through regulations. Every monoply crumbles in time *except* where government becomes involved to ensure its survival. And if it weren’t for the phony concept of “intellectual property”, competition would be booming. And before you cry blasphemy at the notion that patents amd copyrights are not legitimate, I remind you that governmemt never forces something on the people that is in their best interests nor uses guns to enforce it.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview – “Dialectic and the Myth of Government” – #115 (+ video) by Jan Irvin http://www.gnosticmedia.com/larken-rose-interview-dialectic-and-the-myth-of-government-115/#comment-3075 Jan Irvin Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:18:56 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=1908#comment-3075 This is discussed in part 4. This is discussed in part 4.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 3 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 2” – #137 by Bruce http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam_pt_2#comment-3074 Bruce Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:55:03 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2437#comment-3074 "This material is good for folks who are just coming to uncover the shit vs shineola training. As for actual techniques to be implemented administratively, by the people, to affect the predicament, not even touched. Yall are just scratching the surface here which does clear space to delve deeper into the topic in future episodes." Yep, and there's some smug self- congratulatory attitude coming through in the interview, from both participants. Attempting to insult everyone as "slaves". The overall point is good but the delivery is ugly and rather juvenile at times. “This material is good for folks who are just coming to uncover the shit vs shineola training. As for actual techniques to be implemented administratively, by the people, to affect the predicament, not even touched. Yall are just scratching the surface here which does clear space to delve deeper into the topic in future episodes.”

Yep, and there’s some smug self- congratulatory attitude coming through in the interview, from both participants. Attempting to insult everyone as “slaves”. The overall point is good but the delivery is ugly and rather juvenile at times.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview – “Dialectic and the Myth of Government” – #115 (+ video) by Dan http://www.gnosticmedia.com/larken-rose-interview-dialectic-and-the-myth-of-government-115/#comment-3072 Dan Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:26:43 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=1908#comment-3072 "Hierarchies are a natural product of nature." Perhaps if you take a moment to study the difference between "hierarchy" and "holarchy"... “Hierarchies are a natural product of nature.” Perhaps if you take a moment to study the difference between “hierarchy” and “holarchy”…

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 4 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 3” – #138 by Jan Irvin http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam3#comment-3061 Jan Irvin Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:01:49 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2442#comment-3061 Welcome aboard. Glad you took the red pill. It takes a while to grasp it all, but from here the best you can do is study all things on education that we have here, especially the trivium material, as well as everything by Clint Richardson and Walter Burien. You're very welcome. It's messages like this that make everything worth while. So thank YOU for grasping what I'm doing here. Welcome aboard. Glad you took the red pill. It takes a while to grasp it all, but from here the best you can do is study all things on education that we have here, especially the trivium material, as well as everything by Clint Richardson and Walter Burien. You’re very welcome. It’s messages like this that make everything worth while. So thank YOU for grasping what I’m doing here.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 4 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 3” – #138 by CJ http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam3#comment-3057 CJ Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:27:28 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2442#comment-3057 Just listened to podcast 138. Guess all I can say is right on. I have been trying to wake up for about two years now, and there is still some sleepy dust in my eyes. Sometimes I am torn between 'leave me alone, let me sleep', and 'what the hell, how come nobody tried to wake me earlier?' I have enjoyed many of your interviews, as well your cohorts. It would seem that knowledge negates fear, fear wears you out, makes you want to sleep. I guess the tools of fear and force are thus necessities of the master. Shake your head to loosen the shackles, that is where the chain leads. On a side note, regarding symbolism, am I just a conspiracy nut, or is the symbol for homeland security actually a Phoenix? Thank you so much, Jan. And, Thank you so much, Larken. Just listened to podcast 138. Guess all I can say is right on. I have been trying to wake up for about two years now, and there is still some sleepy dust in my eyes. Sometimes I am torn between ‘leave me alone, let me sleep’, and ‘what the hell, how come nobody tried to wake me earlier?’ I have enjoyed many of your interviews, as well your cohorts. It would seem that knowledge negates fear, fear wears you out, makes you want to sleep. I guess the tools of fear and force are thus necessities of the master. Shake your head to loosen the shackles, that is where the chain leads.
On a side note, regarding symbolism, am I just a conspiracy nut, or is the symbol for homeland security actually a Phoenix?
Thank you so much, Jan. And, Thank you so much, Larken.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 2 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 1″ – #136 by spiritsplice http://www.gnosticmedia.com/larken-rose-interview-pt-2-government-the-fallacy-of-ad-verecundiam-pt-1-136/#comment-3056 spiritsplice Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:07:26 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2424#comment-3056 The right to property comes out of the self evident fact of self ownership. Your first property is your body, from thete it extends to things you can make use of. Without property rights there is no way to decide who gets the banana, how much an item will cost nor does a way to peacefully co-exist without stepping on everyones toes. Property rights are the only rights that exist. Anything else you can name that is a legitimate right is simply an extension or mode of property right. The only cultures who did not recognize property were nomadic tribes that had no property. Hard to accumulate much ehem you are constantly moving and have to carry it. All of your questions have been answered 1000 times over. Read Mises, read Rothbard, read Hoppe. mises.org has hundreds of free books on these questions. The right to property comes out of the self evident fact of self ownership. Your first property is your body, from thete it extends to things you can make use of. Without property rights there is no way to decide who gets the banana, how much an item will cost nor does a way to peacefully co-exist without stepping on everyones toes. Property rights are the only rights that exist. Anything else you can name that is a legitimate right is simply an extension or mode of property right.

The only cultures who did not recognize property were nomadic tribes that had no property. Hard to accumulate much ehem you are constantly moving and have to carry it. All of your questions have been answered 1000 times over. Read Mises, read Rothbard, read Hoppe. mises.org has hundreds of free books on these questions.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 2 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 1″ – #136 by spiritsplice http://www.gnosticmedia.com/larken-rose-interview-pt-2-government-the-fallacy-of-ad-verecundiam-pt-1-136/#comment-3055 spiritsplice Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:43:38 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2424#comment-3055 What difference would it make if he did? Your argument (and most who are against anarchism) is basically, "Sure murder is immoral but we can't get rid of it because....how would we live without it?" Mises.org has plenty of articles and free books written on the specifics of how, see Mises, Rothbard, Sowell, Kinsella, etc. Entire books have been written about transportation alone. Hospitals (and everything else for that matter) are a mess *because* of government meddling. They have made it unaffordable unless you participate in the insurance scam/racket. Governmemt is not accomplishing the good and the grand as you and so many others wish to believe. Nearly all the major problems in the world are directly attributable to government action. What difference would it make if he did? Your argument (and most who are against anarchism) is basically, “Sure murder is immoral but we can’t get rid of it because….how would we live without it?”

Mises.org has plenty of articles and free books written on the specifics of how, see Mises, Rothbard, Sowell, Kinsella, etc. Entire books have been written about transportation alone. Hospitals (and everything else for that matter) are a mess *because* of government meddling. They have made it unaffordable unless you participate in the insurance scam/racket. Governmemt is not accomplishing the good and the grand as you and so many others wish to believe. Nearly all the major problems in the world are directly attributable to government action.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 4 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 3” – #138 by Steven http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam3#comment-3054 Steven Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:25:42 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2442#comment-3054 Thanks Jan, These series of interviews have been most enjoyable; in a kind of macabre way. Thanks Jan,

These series of interviews have been most enjoyable; in a kind of macabre way.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 3 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 2” – #137 by Jaya http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam_pt_2#comment-3053 Jaya Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:58:54 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2437#comment-3053 Loved how candid you guys are in this series. Cheers to Jan and Larken for getting the ideas out there. Loved the odd rage by Jan and Larken. Fucking barkers... Hilarious. So good to know there are other intellectuals out there with SOUL who are actually dialed in as opposed to the stuffy blithering bombastics of "McMedia." Id be careful not to condecend folks who may be just waking up as it may limit your audience. Not everyone has debugged their wetware. This material is good for folks who are just coming to uncover the shit vs shineola training. As for actual techniques to be implemented administratively, by the people, to affect the predicament, not even touched. Yall are just scratching the surface here which does clear space to delve deeper into the topic in future episodes. Loved how candid you guys are in this series. Cheers to Jan and Larken for getting the ideas out there.

Loved the odd rage by Jan and Larken. Fucking barkers… Hilarious. So good to know there are other intellectuals out there with SOUL who are actually dialed in as opposed to the stuffy blithering bombastics of “McMedia.” Id be careful not to condecend folks who may be just waking up as it may limit your audience. Not everyone has debugged their wetware.

This material is good for folks who are just coming to uncover the shit vs shineola training. As for actual techniques to be implemented administratively, by the people, to affect the predicament, not even touched. Yall are just scratching the surface here which does clear space to delve deeper into the topic in future episodes.

]]> Comment on Mark Passio interviews Jan Irvin on the Trivium – with Bob Tuskin. by edward http://www.gnosticmedia.com/mark-passio-interviews-jan-irvin-on-the-trivium-with-bob-tuskin/#comment-3052 edward Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:33:40 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2325#comment-3052 This was a video on VH1 or MTV. It was a history of the band. I didn't bother to tape it, but remembered what Waters said in it. I am sure that it is out there in the ethers of media somewhere. They might replay it on VH1 someday i am sure. This was a video on VH1 or MTV. It was a history of the band. I didn’t bother to tape it, but remembered what Waters said in it. I am sure that it is out there in the ethers of media somewhere. They might replay it on VH1 someday i am sure.

]]> Comment on Mark Passio interviews Jan Irvin on the Trivium – with Bob Tuskin. by edward http://www.gnosticmedia.com/mark-passio-interviews-jan-irvin-on-the-trivium-with-bob-tuskin/#comment-3051 edward Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:16:17 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2325#comment-3051 Along time ago i became aware of a little thing called the Van-Allen radiation belt. This apparently is between ourselves(earth), and the moon. The space suits worn by the astronauts were not built to protect the men from the intense radiation of the belt. The capsule wasn't made to stop it either. I forget how thick in lead it would have to be but, it was so thick as to make lift off impossible. The suits would need to be so thick as to not be movable either. Now this one mainstream scientific fact would negate the claims of NASA. All the other data takes a back seat to this because these are the status quo's facts. One example of this is when one goes to the dentist or has an x-ray for something. the human doing the x-ray will always be behind a protective barrier. I am makeing a guess here but i don't think an x-ray machine at the emergency room is as powerful as th Van-Allen belt. I would think the astronauts would look like the original Iron Man from the comic books, or in the movie. Along time ago i became aware of a little thing called the Van-Allen radiation belt. This apparently is between ourselves(earth), and the moon. The space suits worn by the astronauts were not built to protect the men from the intense radiation of the belt. The capsule wasn’t made to stop it either. I forget how thick in lead it would have to be but, it was so thick as to make lift off impossible. The suits would need to be so thick as to not be movable either. Now this one mainstream scientific fact would negate the claims of NASA. All the other data takes a back seat to this because these are the status quo’s facts.
One example of this is when one goes to the dentist or has an x-ray for something. the human doing the x-ray will always be behind a protective barrier. I am makeing a guess here but i don’t think an x-ray machine at the emergency room is as powerful as th Van-Allen belt. I would think the astronauts would look like the original Iron Man from the comic books, or in the movie.

]]> Comment on Mark Passio interviews Jan Irvin on the Trivium – with Bob Tuskin. by Jan Irvin http://www.gnosticmedia.com/mark-passio-interviews-jan-irvin-on-the-trivium-with-bob-tuskin/#comment-3050 Jan Irvin Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:14:04 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2325#comment-3050 Do you have any evidence of this? A copy of the interview? Do you have any evidence of this? A copy of the interview?

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 4 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 3” – #138 by phil http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam3#comment-3049 phil Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:55:02 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2442#comment-3049 I absolutely loved these series of interviews ,especially the way you, and larkin, mixed in humour,wit,bit of banter ,sarcasim ,about this this fucked up, reality we live in. I have no doubt, that this will jolt, anyone who is not aware of what is really going on, to question their reality,even if it does offend them.(which i'm sure they will get over) That is exactly why i can see this working on alot of people .because it's coming across with a bit of wit,houmour ,even amuzement .After all it's all about getting people to wake up . Thanks jan ,and larkin. ;) love it . I absolutely loved these series of interviews ,especially the way you, and larkin, mixed in humour,wit,bit of banter ,sarcasim ,about this this fucked up, reality we live in. I have no doubt, that this will jolt, anyone who is not aware of what is really going on, to question their reality,even if it does offend them.(which i’m sure they will get over) That is exactly why i can see this working on alot of people .because it’s coming across with a bit of wit,houmour ,even amuzement .After all it’s all about getting people to wake up .

Thanks jan ,and larkin. ;) love it .

]]> Comment on Mark Passio interviews Jan Irvin on the Trivium – with Bob Tuskin. by edward http://www.gnosticmedia.com/mark-passio-interviews-jan-irvin-on-the-trivium-with-bob-tuskin/#comment-3048 edward Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:50:00 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2325#comment-3048 In response to the article on the sons and daughters of intel officers. I recently saw a special on Pink Floyd where Roger Waters admitted that all of the band members were the sons of aristocracy except David Gilmour. I dare say that that is not coincedental at all. Waters all but admitted that their success was in the bag as it were and Gilmour had the most trouble with it because of his lower social status, and therefore had the most to prove. In response to the article on the sons and daughters of intel officers. I recently saw a special on Pink Floyd where Roger Waters admitted that all of the band members were the sons of aristocracy except David Gilmour. I dare say that that is not coincedental at all. Waters all but admitted that their success was in the bag as it were and Gilmour had the most trouble with it because of his lower social status, and therefore had the most to prove.

]]> Comment on Larken Rose interview, pt. 3 – “Government – The Fallacy of Ad Verecundiam, pt. 2” – #137 by Jay http://www.gnosticmedia.com/AdVerecundiam_pt_2#comment-3047 Jay Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:34:43 +0000 http://www.gnosticmedia.com/?p=2437#comment-3047 Thanks for clarifying my point, Brian. And thanks to Ben Steigmann for a well researched and heavily referenced response, despite it being misaimed. The reason I point out the misuse of the term is that I hear it being misapplied all over the place, and it is a problem in so far as the interpretation of events it is used to describe are often contentious to say the least. So, we should try to present a tight and erudite a case as possible when trying to convince people of what we see as the truth of the given situation, including having our terms straight. Thanks for clarifying my point, Brian. And thanks to Ben Steigmann for a well researched and heavily referenced response, despite it being misaimed. The reason I point out the misuse of the term is that I hear it being misapplied all over the place, and it is a problem in so far as the interpretation of events it is used to describe are often contentious to say the least. So, we should try to present a tight and erudite a case as possible when trying to convince people of what we see as the truth of the given situation, including having our terms straight.

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