Bob Tuskin hosts, and Jan Irvin co-hosts, in this interview with Vaughn Klingenberg on the Holocaust.
What happens when someone who’s born of Jewish heritage questions the veracity of the Holocaust using the trivium? Listen and find out.
For more about Bob Tuskin’s show, go to:
http://www.bobtuskin.com/
Vaughn Klingenberg’s website:
http://www.booksbyvk.org/
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Hate the fucking noise rock breaks, holy shit no more “Collaboration”.
Great book.
Next time you could just fast forward through the breaks. We removed the commercials already..
And interesting that you made no comment on any of the content, other than you hate the music. Now that’s constructive feedback.
I did “comment on the content” its a “great book” and I learned a lot.
The interview/collabo almost sucked, the talking over one another,the dumb jokes, the “i’m Jewish to” was A bit annoying and hard to listen to I think more-so because of the subject matter.
I congratulate you guys for displaying the courage and intelligence to examine these painful questions. There is little doubt that this is arguably one of the most sensitive issues that can be raised in public discourse. Dangerous taboo breaking and boundary transgression is a worthy calling, not for the faint hearted. It is perhaps telling that you have had so few comments. For what it’s worth, I worked in the oldest Chinatown in western Canada more than thirty years ago where I met a Slavic herbalist who assured me he had been in one of the camps, possibly Belsen or Buchenwald I really can’t remember. According to his version of events, life had little resemblance to what had been related after the war. At the time I simply suspended my disbelief, but now I wonder how many stories can still be told that might allow us to render a more complex account. Truth is such an elusive shape shifter and trickster, that only great art can ever hope to convey nuanced realities in all their complex dimensions. The dead cannot talk, but there must be unread diaries and hidden records of those dark times that can deliver up a more diverse, vivid and reflective suggestion of the realities that people experienced, without diminishing the terrors that were endured. We should never trivialise our convulsive past (nor present,) but we must always somehow summon the strength to question our received version of it, even as it occurs.
You may find interest in seeking a film called Last Days of the Big Lie.
Just a few short notes.
First, I think you presented a lively show with a lot of challenging rational information.
I was familiar with a lot of the points brought up in the show.
But at about 2/3 of the show I found myself asking to myself what is your point you’re leading up to?
Towards the end Vaughn Klingenberg explains his thesis that it was the Jewish elite using the ‘little Jews’ to further their agenda of a creation and population with Jew of the state Israel in Palestine.
With this I have to disagree in so far that I think these elite Jewish people would not have got their wish if it wasn’t for the blessing or at least cooperation of the other worlds elites.
From another viewpoint:
If I picture myself to be a young(er) emotional believer in the official authorised story I would find many of the points made very tough to even sit through, feeling I chimed into a ‘holocaust denial show’ which even featured some German metal (Rammstein // a band I personally like but would not pick for this show). Two young(er) voices who apparently appear often even more extreme than the guest who tries to put forward his thesis much more carefully.
The Holocaust is still an emotional minefield. And though I believe in correcting his-story where we can to reflect the horror show it is in reality, I think it’s wise not to attempt to ‘lower’ the suffering, or making a competition out of any part, but focus more on the human aspects and principles and the people who plan and use suffering to meet their own agenda.
My current thesis:
At my current level of understanding I believe the world is run by elites from all over the world who share their elitist religion feeling they are the more evolved ubermensch with the right to use the untermenschen to their leisure. They’re psychopathic egomaniacs with a craving to become of God status. And – going on a limp here – I think they ultimately subconsciously know they have a lack of emphatic ability seeking through confrontation with the healthy a solution or death for they mental defect. Much like serial killers take increasingly more risk -addicted to- but in the end look like they want to be caught to end their suffering. The suffering from not fitting in, facing the painful inability to change themselves and being a slave to their addiction(s).
Yes it’s a very crude rough picture and I love to hear people’s views on this.
Maybe Jan could conduct some interviews in the future on psychopathy, I think an important part of why society is like it is today?
Keep up the good work and the high standards I enjoy so much in your work Jan.
I wish I had a job so I could throw you some well deserved pay.
Love, Courage and Water,
Kars
Jan, you were on fire for the information streaming on this segment.
I do agree, the show format is annoying, but that’s not your problem.
some good stuff to take to the knowledge bank and help reveal some light to the dark
cast upon the fucking society we have been impaled upon. We as in the good people who
want to be truthful and humane.
Also thanks Jan for the suggestions for the docs.. I’m watching Buchenwald now and it’s a stunner. SEEDY FUCKING JACKSON
SEEDY Jackson. That’s hilarious.
Hi,
Great show. I’m glad you’ve done this un-program. (Deprogram?) I have been studying into this area for some years thanks to Jeff Rense’s radio program and website. I think that German researcher you mentioned, who was imprisoned, had found the same evidence which (Fred?) Leuchter found. So, of course, they had to shut him up quick. We can question God itself but not the Holocaust? Was that Buchenwald documentary the same one which shows how hard it is to burn a human body? The numbers -in the millions- just wouldn’t add up, because a human body doesn’t burn so well and not in the small space of time they gave to incinerate millions. I always say, ‘why would they kill their slave labor?’ And provide them with nice swimming pools and such…
I’m glad you mentioned, before the show ended, the 6 Million number being used before, like in WW1. I was watching a documentary about the killings by the Nazis and the killings by the Communists. And in the documentary it showed an image of a newspaper which gave the 6 million number again, but this time the newspaper was talking about the Holodomor in the Ukraine. Do you know why the number 6 million is always used as the official number for mass killings?
For the guy who made a big deal about Rammstein music used in the break bumper music, I’d say it’s not deliberate, the same songs run on Mark Passio’s show too. I think the roster of bumper music is just set on a ‘shuffle’for each program. And Rammstein is not Nazi music, Germans can be loud and not be Nazis.
It seems to be a Talmudic number.
Thanks Jan. I’ve been meaning to read the Talmud.
“For the guy who made a big deal about Rammstein music used in the break bumper music, I’d say it’s not deliberate, the same songs run on Mark Passio’s show too. I think the roster of bumper music is just set on a ‘shuffle’ for each program. And Rammstein is not Nazi music, Germans can be loud and not be Nazis. ”
I suspected already that the random play is the case. I agree Rammstein is not racist at all. The have the perversion angle though with all the sexual double speak. As a Dutchmen I understand quite some German as well. And yes I like the feel and tunes and some texts of Rammstein.
The point I try to make is that it’s still a (cultivated) very sensitive subject, I just wanted to advocate a softer approach, with the least amount of emotional mines going off.
I see that many have been conditioned very well and deep to information about this particular group of people. It’s attached to emotion, fear. Fears of being ostracised and shunned by your peers, siding with evil, etc.
But let us NOT forget that imprisonment, enslavement and executions for the shallowest of excuses is never to be respected, regardless of who it does.
Bob Tuskin is Jewish… and so they’re trying to say that Rammstein is a Nazi, and that’s why we talked about this? You’d have to be pretty god damned stupid to make that leap.
I thought it was a fairly soft approach. Nobody was saying that imprisonment and slave labor and all that was done was excusable in any way. They questioned the numbers, the extent, the methods and purpose of it all. It’s such a sensitive subject because it has been made illegal to even question it.
Rammstein is just metal, it’s not gonna be without its perverse sexual innuendo.
Germans should not have to keep paying for the things their grandparent’s generation did.
excellent interview……excellent music.
The only man more lied about than Adolf Hitler was Yahshua the alchemist.
Jan,
check out Barnes Review Holocaust edition as well well as their edition on the Russian Revolution. It’s a revisionist history magazine. Some of their stuff is not worth your time but those two issues are informative.
Please do a show where you apply the Trivium to the US Constitution and the founding of the US if you find it interesting. All is not as it seems there and makes for some interesting history lessons.
P
Already have seen that. It’s very well done.
and see my interview with Larken Rose, there’s a new one out with him soon.