News update – Joe Atwill and Rima Laibow – “Preventing and Treating Ebola” – #206

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This episode is a news update / public service announcement: Preventing and Treating Ebola.

Released on Wednesday, August 07, 2014, and was recorded on Monday, August 07, 2014.

In this episode we have Joe Atwill – the author of Caesear’s Messiah, who’s been on many times before; And also Dr. Rima Laibow, who has been on my show once before, and I on her show twice. This is her second time on the Gnostic Media podcast, and we’ve also interviewed her husband General Albert Stubblebine.

Joe Atwill’s websites:
www.caesarsmessiahdoc.com
http://caesarsmessiah.com/
http://caesarsmessiah.com/blog/

Rima Laibow’s websites:
www.naturalsolutionsfoundation.com
http://drrimatruthreports.com/
http://www.drrimaknows.com
www.nsfmarketplace.com

Rima’s Stop Ebola page:
http://TinyURL.com/StopEbola

Selected Nano Silver Ebola references:
http://drrimatruthreports.com/wp-content/uploads/Selected-Nano-Silver-Ebola-Reference-Citations.pdf

Analysis of DTRA Nano Silver study
:
http://drrimatruthreports.com/wp-content/uploads/Analysis-of-DTRA-Nano-Silver-Study.pdf

Scientific American Ebola:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/largest-ever-ebola-outbreak-is-not-a-global-threat/


Scientist working on Gov’t Ebola drug Joked About Culling Population with GMO
:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/did-creator-experimental-ebola-drug-joke-about-culling-25-worlds-population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD7l9xENRQ

Safety:
http://drrimatruthreports.com/dr-rima-beware-ebola-disinformation/


Colloidal silver and nano silver are not the same
:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZsDF0B7cU&list=UUpgvIebAMVqdN8kvYxzLBfw

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  77 comments for “News update – Joe Atwill and Rima Laibow – “Preventing and Treating Ebola” – #206

    • timothy engelskirchen
      August 9, 2014 at 11:18 am

      I just wanted to point out in case you were unaware that the initial Reuters article is from April “West African Ebola outbreak caused by new strain of disease: study
      BY SALIOU SAMB
      CONAKRY Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:30pm EDT” http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/17/us-guinea-ebola-idUSBREA3G11W20140417

      West African Ebola outbreak caused by new strain of disease: study
      http://www.reuters.com
      from above article “A senior health ministry official told Reuters on Thursday the government planned to stop publicly releasing the death toll to avoid causing unnecessary panic.”
      Of the 197 clinical cases of Ebola declared in Guinea, 122 have died including several health workers, according to the World Health Organisation’s latest update, which cited Guinean health ministry figures. Sixteen of those died in the capital Conakry.” – And so the death toll from Ebola was already at over 100 in April.

  1. Ryan Gilmore
    August 9, 2014 at 2:43 am

    Dr. Laibow says at 4:10 – “But confirmed cases have occurred in London, where a passenger collapsed on the walkway leaving the plane from Sierra Leone”

    Not true. This passenger tested negative. There was another suspected case held by security at Gatwick Airport, but he also tested negative.

    http://rt.com/uk/177780-ebola-scare-gatwick-death
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Y760VXfgA
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11003779/Ebola-outbreak-suspected-case-at-British-immigration-centre.html

    8:40 – “Patrick Sawyer…was a physician coming back from Liberia to his family in Milwaukee…he died in the ambulance to the hospital in Lagos…5 other people from that same flight have now contracted it, so there are two possibilities. One: everybody was having an orgy on the plane and they were sharing bodily fluids as rapidly as they could…or the CDC is lying.”

    Half truths. This is indeed a confirmed case, but the co-passengers did not contract it. Sawyer, a financial consultant, died 2 days after getting off the plane in Nigeria. He likely got the virus from close contact with his dying sister in Liberia who had Ebola. He knew he was sick but, selfishly, insisted on travelling from Liberia to Nigeria. When hospital staff told Sawyer he had Ebola he became enraged and urinated on some of the workers. Sawyer’s doctor in Nigeria contracted it, and other medical workers in Nigeria have shown symptoms. I could find no reference to 5 passengers who shared a flight with Sawyer contracting the virus, only medical staff who had close contact.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201408071299.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw1zvmR42UU
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/08/nigeria-ebola-cases-patrick-sawyer_n_5662732.html

    • Rima E Laibow MD
      August 10, 2014 at 8:05 pm

      The fact that it is “novel” should surprise no one. The fact that it is irrelevant in terms of the action of Nano Silver 10 PPM against it might surprise a lot of people, however, given the fact that they would assume that its novel genetic configuration might make a difference in the ability of the Nano Silver 10 PPM to inactivate it.
      That would be true if the mechanism of action were involved with its genetic sequence. Since it is not, we can breath a sigh of relief.
      Nano Silver 10 PPM is the only thing that we know of that is active against Ebola.
      Clinical trials are slated to start in 2 African countries next week because of the information which the Natural Solutions Foundation had gotten to them.
      That information is available at http://TinyURL.com/StopEbola and here, http://www.NSFMarketplace.com where you can get the Protocol that I designed for using Nano Silver for Ebola prevention and therapy.
      Enter your email address there.
      Make sure that as many people as possible are protected to not only save lives, but to protect our society from the cataclysms which will occur when it is destroyed by massive death and disorganization.
      I do not want to live in a time of plague and I am sure you do not, either.
      The best way to prevent it is to make sure that few enough people die so that the world we live in does not crumble.
      This is, of course, the prefect storm from a genocidalist’s point of view. Shall we take their pleasure away from them by not dying?
      Yours in health and freedom,
      Dr. Rima

    • Rima E Laibow MD
      August 10, 2014 at 8:08 pm

      Really? Do you trust that pronouncement? I don’t.
      When I made that statement, that was the available information.
      You are correct. At this point we are being told that she did not have Ebola.
      I have grave doubt that we would be told the truth if she did have Ebola so for now the jury is still out.
      I also have grave doubts about the magic “serum” that got a prostrate and dying man up and taking a shower in an hour.
      You know what comes out of the rear end of a bull? So do I.
      Too perfect, too pat, too convenient.
      Dr. Rima

      • Ryan Gilmore
        August 11, 2014 at 12:44 am

        Hi Dr. Rima,

        Do you have a source for the 5 co-passengers of Patrick Sawyer that contracted Ebola?

  2. Russell Bybee
    August 9, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Good morning Jan. In regards to your / Joe’s podcast #206, my searches into nano silver have led me to a contradictory conclusion than what was presented in the podcast.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10809022?dopt=Abstract
    This link was taken from Dr. LIma’s analysis of DRTA nano silver study. It was the only study relevant to treatment for Ebola I could find in that paper from Dr. LIma. While it does reference a treatment for Ebola that was partially effective, but the treatment had nothing to do with nano-silver. I looked for the actual DRTA study that she supposedly took the information from and found nothing.

    Dr. Lima suggests that the silver kills various types of pathogens in your body by emitting a certain frequency. While I researched this, I was lead to a patent linked below which describes a device which emits certain frequencies that kill pathogens from a CD player. All links that claimed to link to a patent or study showing that nano silver was the device that emitted the killing frequency were faulty or led back to this patent which makes no reference to nano-silver at all.
    http://www.google.com/patents/US6845270

    I have used ionic silver for several years, and all the legitimate research I have come across only shows an actual method of action against single celled organisms like bacteria, fungus, aglae, etc. The link below shows one such study using silver to kill / sterilize MRSA successfully. I have not yet come across anything showing how silver is able to kill any type of virus.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292600/

    I have personally used ionic silver to kill infected cuts on myself and pets. I have also used it to kill mold and fungus around the home and in the garden. I have attempted to use it without any effect against colds, flu, sore throats which leads me to believe that my research into this is correct and silver won’t kill virus’s. I hope this is helpful in your continued research and I very much appreciate your show and the information you put out.

    • Russell Bybee
      August 9, 2014 at 9:03 am

      1 – Is there a link to an actual DTRA report / article? The only information I could find on this appeared to be cut / paste images on a slide show.
      2 – Was focused on magnetic retrivel / recycling of silver particles after use in in vitro studies.
      3 – This was an article about possible treatements for ebola and another similar virus that did not mention silver
      4 – This does show potential antiviral properties of silver (along with gold and other metals) but did not reference Ebola. Used between 10-25 nm particles but had to be present before the virus was in the host cells. Testing was done on a virus not hostable by humans. Also references potential health risk for people inhaling silver particles.
      8 – Cites study on nanosilver relative to HIV. Shows silver is effective antiviral
      The cites I didn’t mention dealt mostly with health effects of silver and not it’s effectiveness vs. virus’s.

      http://news.rice.edu/2012/07/11/ions-not-particles-make-silver-toxic-to-bacteria-3/

      This study finds that is the ionic property of silver (Ag +) that is damaging to bacteria. No study on virus though.
      Ionic silver which is produced with distilled water and electrolysis and mixing the solution produces an average of 8.4 nm sized Ag+ silver particles which would appear to be effective as an antiviral unless it reacts with any -molecule (i.e. stomach acids, saliva, etc.).

      It seems that silver does have antiviral properties, but the in vivo studies mention the need to find a specific carrier for the silver particles so they can get past the stomach acids without binding to other molecules before they reach the virus. There were also studies that showed there can be negative health effects if nanosilver particles are inhaled, and even then, they have a half life of only 8 seconds once in the blood stream before they are bound any health benefits from them are negated.

      To sum it up, nanosilver (all references to nano in the studies specify particle size under 100 nm) does have antiviral propertiess, but I’m still skeptical about any material difference between what Dr. Rima call nanosilver and a product you can make yourself with a few basic supplies.

      • timothy engelskirchen
        August 9, 2014 at 11:41 am

        It seems that the studies are extremely limited on nanosilver for human consumption but here is what I found

        The following is quoted from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037247/
        Int J Nanomedicine. 2014; 9: 2399–2407.
        Published online May 16, 2014. doi: 10.2147/IJN.S55015
        PMCID: PMC4037247

        Nanosilver particles in medical applications: synthesis, performance, and toxicity

        Liangpeng Ge,1,5,* Qingtao Li,2,3,6,* Meng Wang,2,3 Jun Ouyang,6 Xiaojian Li,7 and Malcolm MQ Xing2,3
        Author information ► Copyright and License information ►

        Abstract
        Nanosilver particles (NSPs), are among the most attractive nanomaterials, and have been widely used in a range of biomedical applications, including diagnosis, treatment, drug delivery, medical device coating, and for personal health care. With the increasing application of NSPs in medical contexts, it is becoming necessary for a better understanding of the mechanisms of NSPs’ biological interactions and their potential toxicity. In this review, we first introduce the synthesis routes of NSPs, including physical, chemical, and biological or green synthesis. Then the unique physiochemical properties of NSPs, such as antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, and anti-inflammatory activity, are discussed in detail. Further, some recent applications of NSPs in prevention, diagnosis, and treatment in medical fields are described. Finally, potential toxicology considerations of NSPs, both in vitro and in vivo, are also addressed.

        NSP toxicity
        NSPs may have potential toxicities at some concentrations and can cause various health problems if used improperly. Thus, it is necessary to address the biosafety of NSPs in human health.

        In vitro toxicity

        NSPs have been reported to be cytotoxic to several types of cells, including human peripheral blood mononuclear cells,74 human alveolar epithelial cell line (A549)75, murine and human alveolar macrophage cell line,76 neuroendocrine cells,77 rat liver cell line,78 and mouse germline cells.79 Alt et al, however, found that bone cement containing 1.0% nanosilver did not lead to significant cytotoxicity in mouse fibroblasts (L929) and human osteoblast cell line.61 Although the details of the toxic mechanism are unclear, it suggests that NSPs are ionized in the cells, which leads to activate ion channels and changes the permeability of the cell membrane to both potassium and sodium,80 interaction with mitochondria,81 and induction of the apoptosis pathway via the production of reactive oxygen species,82 which leads to cell death.

        In vivo toxicity

        Chen and Schluesener have reviewed biodistribution, organ accumulation, degradation, possible adverse effects, and toxicity associated with the medical use of nanosilver.13 Respiratory tract, gastrointestinal tract, skin, and female genital tract are the main entry portals of nanosilver into the human body through direct substance exchange with the environment. Additionally, systemic administration is also a potential route of entry, since colloidal silver nanoparticles have been exploited for diagnostic imaging or therapeutic purposes. Inhalation and instillation experiments in rats showed that low concentration, but detectable, ultrafine silver (14.6±1.0 nm) appeared in the lung and was subsequently distributed to the blood and other organs, such as heart, liver, kidney, and even brain.83 In a recent oral toxicity study of rats, Kim et al also found that silver nanoparticles accumulated in blood, liver, lungs, kidneys, stomach, testes, and brain, but NSPs showed no significant genotoxicity after oral administration of silver nanoparticles of 60 nm average size for 28 days at different doses.84 Lee et al showed that NSPs less than 12 nm in size affected early development of fish embryos, caused chromosomal aberrations and DNA damage, and induced proliferation arrest in cell lines of zebrafish;85 however, Lansdown found that silver was not a cause of neurotoxic damage, even though silver deposits have been identified in the region of cutaneous nerves,86 and Ji et al found that NSPs did not affect respiratory system in a 28-day in vivo study.87

        Animal and human studies indicate that it is difficult to remove silver completely once it has been deposited in the body; however, nanosilver can be excreted through the hair, urine, and feces.88 There is no consensus on nanosilver’s toxicity to humans, and most toxicity investigations of silver nanoparticles are based on in vitro cellular experiments and relatively short-term animal experiments.

        Conclusion
        NSPs represent a prominent nanoproduct and are already widely used in medical applications, including wound dressing, diagnosis, and pharmacological treatment. Since the shape, size, and composition of NSPs can have significant effects on their function and possible risks to human health, extensive research is needed to fully understand their synthesis, characterization, and possible toxicity. In this review, we first gave an overview of NSP synthesis, then reviewed applications of NSPs in the field of biomedicine. Finally, possible toxicology was discussed.

        There is a limited number of well-controlled studies on the potential toxicities of nanosilver, though these studies tend to suggest that NSPs can induce toxicity in living beings. It should be noted that in vitro conditions are drastically different from in vivo conditions; however, longer-term studies and assessment of NSP toxicity must be conducted so that NSP exposure does not exceed toxic levels.

        • Rima E Laibow MD
          August 10, 2014 at 8:26 pm

          ORAL and topical use of nano silver 10 PPM have been studied extensively and no toxic results were found. I would not recommend breathing nano particles of anything if you can avoid it.
          See, for example:
          AN IN VIVO HUMAN TIME-­‐EXPOSURE INVESTIGATION OF A COMMERCIAL SILVER NANO-­‐PARTICLE SOLUTION.
          M. A. M. A. Munger, P. Radwanski, G. J. Stoddard, A. Shaaban, D. Grainger, G.Yost University of Utah, SLC, UT.
          among many.
          Dr. Rima

          • Gintas Kamaitis
            August 16, 2014 at 5:26 pm

            Dr. Rima you keep referring to 10 ppm nano silver. I come from a scientific background in both aquatic sciences and environmental engineering and your reference to 10 ppm nano silver threw me. The only meaning that I am aware for ‘ppm’ is as an abbreviation for “parts per a million”, otherwise commonly stated as milligrams per liter which is a unit of of concentration. I was hung up because the use of a particular concentration of nano did not make any logical sense as would be specifying a dose that would vary with the volume taken and size of the individual. I downloaded the paper you referenced and in the paper they refer to particle size, not concentration and I believe that instead of referring to 10 ppm you should be saying 10µ (microns) which refers to the size of the silver particle and not its concentration.

      • Craig Bickford
        August 10, 2014 at 2:10 pm

        Maybe I’m not really understanding this because advanced chemistry not one of my strong suits, but how do we get from the compound listed in this first link (a link which does not mention nano silver in the content of the abstract) here:

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10809022/

        These are some comments I posted on Jan’s FB section for the posting of this article. The links I provided are the two primary sources she sites, one for the data from the DTRA reseach that is called nano silver and the other is the abstract about the compound named as S-adenosyl-L-homocysteine hydrolase inhibitor:

        ‘Then to the DoD funded research project that mentions nano silver but does not mentioned the compound in the abstract I just cited.

        https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/6437898/title-univers-bold-italic-36pt-align-left-utopia-silver-supplements

        I think we’re supposed to understand that the compound listed in the first link abstract is the nano silver mentioned in the original source document? Does this add up? I have no way to understand this at this point without embarking on a study into biochemistry. Not that is a bad thing to study, but my dance card is full at the moment in research.’

      • Rima E Laibow MD
        August 10, 2014 at 8:12 pm

        You must be looking at a different study. The one that I have posted at http://TinyURL.com/StopEbola (bottom of page) makes direct and significant reference to Ebola and shows its inactivation in several different graphs.
        Colloidal silver is ionic. The specific nano silver to which the study refers is metallic with a coating of Ag4O4. There is no loss of activation against pathogens through contact with stomach acid but if you prefer you can hold it in your mouth while the material passes through the mucosa of the mouth.
        Why would you inhale nano silver particles?
        Dr. Rima

        • Craig Bickford
          August 11, 2014 at 3:22 am

          I’m having a hard time following what is a reply to what post here, this layout is new to me for a comments section style so it’s a bit confusing. Anyway, if the above response from Dr. Laibow (‘You must be looking at a different study…’) was in regard to my two links I posted then I don’t’ understand what you are saying. The two links are citations you provided in the links from the boradcast.

          The confusion I am having is not what citations are the ones you provided but what the connection is between the DTRA report here (https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/6437898/title-univers-bold-italic-36pt-align-left-utopia-silver-supplements), presumably the origin paper, and the abstract here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10809022/) from the Analysis-of-DTRA-Nano-Silver-Study.pdf. My problem is identifying what the compound is that s being discussed in the abstract and if that is actually ‘nano silver’. If it is than this is beyond the scope of what I am able to gather with my limited internet resources. I say limited because it would seem I need a medical and chemistry reference library to sort this out, and some background education that I currently do not possess. So in closing I cannot say that these two things mentioned, the compound in the abstract, and the nano-silver are the same thing. If they are, can you point me in the direction of where that information may be so I can read it over, or if this is beyond my pay grade so to speak could there be some place where these terms are used together in an academic article or work?

          I also was wondering if there was an origination point beyond the Yumpu.com link to prove the origin of the DTRA document? Was this posted on a government website, or in an academic journal? Is it from a FOIA request? I know most people who post here would agree that you need citations, but when you get a citation and it leads to a site like Scribd or Yumpu, and there is no origination from an official source, how is that supposed to be vetted? I can’t verify it, can anyone else verify it? Please keep in mind I am not trying to be over critical, I just don’t see where these dead ends take me as far as understanding this material goes.

        • Russell Bybee
          August 11, 2014 at 7:39 am

          I saw that DTRA powerpoint, but I didn’t see anywhere the actual study was available or posted. I looked for it over the weekend, but the slide show you have on your website is the only reference of it I could find. Without actually seeing the study that slide show was based on I have no way of seeing the specifics we are discussing. Can you link to it so I can take a look?

          It is my understanding that any type of nano silver releases Ions as it reacts with it’s environment and this is what kills the various baterica, virus, etc.

          Regarding the inhalation statement, it’s one of the many pieces of faulty information regarding the health benefits of silver that one can find online. It isn’t a safe practice from what I’ve been able to tell.

          • Craig Bickford
            August 13, 2014 at 3:33 pm

            Did she mention inhalation of this substance? I listened to the podcast twice, I can’t find that reference, can you post the time stamp for this?

          • Russell Bybee
            August 14, 2014 at 11:54 am

            Craig, I couldn’t reply directly to your Aug 13th 3:33 post about the inhalation, but this is my answer.

            The topic of the toxicity of nanosilver when inhaled was brought up in one of the cites she provided in the show notes. It was also something I came across while doing my own research, there are several companies that claim inhaling the nanosilver is the best way to get it into your blood stream which is false according to some of the reports I saw.

      • John Lewis
        August 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm

        Russell,
        Thank you. I found the same. Thanks for parsing it.

        Dr. Rima,
        Please attempt to remove the logical fallacies from your interviews with Jan. The contradictions in your arguments are so prolific that I won’t take the time to sort them out in order to determine the validity of anything you say. I’ll be cussing your prose as I bleed out. ;-)

        • John Lewis
          August 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm

          I meant to reply to Russell’s first post.

        • Craig Bickford
          August 13, 2014 at 3:36 pm

          I’m new to this, can you point out some of these contradictions you are referencing? I thought it was a fairly compelling argument she made, but I get lost in the specifics since I lack a medical background or a really good grounding in biology or chemistry to be honest.

          • Russell Bybee
            August 14, 2014 at 12:12 pm

            The most glaring thing I saw was the lack of an actual DTRA study which her main point was derived from. I don’t know whether it actually exists, but I couldn’t find anything other than a power point slide show from her website. There were some other citations provided in the show notes that did reference potential cures for ebola but were not relevant to the product she is selling.

            I have little doubt that silver can be effective against bacteria as well as virus’s at this point, but I still haven’t gotten to the truth of what type of silver and how the silver has to be applied. The product Dr. Rima is selling is different than regular silver you can produce at home via electrolysis but as far as I can tell the way silver kills pathogens is by the positively charged ions that are released. In this respect, the product she is selling is no different than the other ionic silver products. Until she produces the actual clinical studies myself and some others have been requesting there is no way to verify this.

            Because the killing agent is ionic, it makes actually getting the silver ion to bind with a pathogen inside the body rather than a regularly occurring molecule your body produces is tricky and I haven’t seen any concrete evidence it’s possible without special coatings and even those don’t always show positive results. I very general way of thinking of this, is silver ions take the place of oxygen since it is also typically positive. When the bacteria or virus cell consumes the silver ion and tries to use it like an oxygen molecule it crashes the system. Again, this is a very simplified and generic way of looking at it, but it’s in the right general direction.

          • Craig Bickford
            August 14, 2014 at 3:10 pm

            I can’t seem to reply to the reply you left below Russell Bybee so I will reply to my self and hopefully you will see this post. This is the source of her slide show, it’s listed in a section of her site that discusses this subject, but I don’t think it is part of her citation page for nanosilver if I am remembering correctly. Beyond this upload site, I would not know how to verify this, and I asked about verifying this a while back, so awaiting a response. Anyway there is a identifying number on this power point file in the yumpu link, so maybe that is where we start?

            https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/6437898/title-univers-bold-italic-36pt-align-left-utopia-silver-supplements

          • August 14, 2014 at 5:37 pm

            It’s still making me approve yours. Don’t know why.

        • forky
          August 14, 2014 at 7:07 pm

          Haha…

          I’ve looked at the data and I really can’t figure it out. I’m glad to see the many thoughtful, intelligent and understandable comments that you guys have posted. At this point it looks to me like Dr. Rima is peddling doomsday scenario snake oil. This podcast sounds like a hard sell infomercial.

          Just my thoughts…

          Forky

          • el
            October 18, 2014 at 4:09 am

            ooooo burn.

  3. john cokos
    August 10, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Some interesting observations about the Interview. I don’t buy into the claims my self, mostly for the above reasons, but also for the
    reason that no amount of preparation for a virtual scenario will ever prepare you for the real thing. I spent about 15 yrs in the military, mostly Army, and what’s called The Fog of War sets in very early in the action, and not much goes the way your planned it when you try to implement scenarios around a plan that is not based on real world data. If you train like the Navy Seals do, you train just like you would react in a real world scenario. That’s why they have such a high rate of success.
    The claims are build around nothing but a set of UNPROVEN outcomes not based on real data of yet. Hold filed tests and do primary research in Africa ? Give me a break, you can’t even drink the water unless it comes out of bottle of Poland Springs. The place is petri dish. I wouldn’t touch any this with a ten foot pole.

    • Rima E Laibow MD
      August 10, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Following your logic is difficult. I actually do not have a clear idea what you are talking abut when you talk about Africa being a petri dish so studies should not be done there.
      As it happens, we should be starting clinical trials with the Nano Silver 10 PPM in two African countries in the next week.
      How about we take a look at the results, shall we?
      Dr. Rima

  4. Craig Bickford
    August 10, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    I also wanted to comment about the 90% fatality number Rima gave, which apparently is the upper rate of fatal infection not the average (which I saw estimated at 60%, but all I have to go by at this time for raw numbers is the WHO reports).

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

  5. Craig Bickford
    August 10, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I just realized Dr. Laibow has a long form citations page for this episode and the stop Ebola page from her site, that I have to go through and read. So I might possibly be coming back to edit or change/update some of my comments if I can find answers.

  6. Rima E Laibow MD
    August 10, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    I look forward to that, Craig.
    Dr. Rima

  7. Craig Bickford
    August 11, 2014 at 4:12 am

    Dr. Laibow, can you help me understand what the relevance is with some of your citations?

    http://drrimatruthreports.com/wp-content/uploads/Selected-Nano-Silver-Ebola-Reference-Citations.pdf

    I don’t see the relevance of number 5 or 6. Number 7 is more relevant I think, with the obvious application to influenza virus, though I would prefer to reserve judgement on this until I find more understanding from the sources provided. The citation for number 7 has the following quote below it:

    “Metallic silver appears to pose minimal risk to health” 0912f509777c7e7934000000.pdf

    I still have to read through this abstract but I don’t seem to be able to find this quote in a text search of the PDF. Is this a misprint?

  8. Craig Bickford
    August 11, 2014 at 4:26 am

    More questions for Dr.Laibow. Argyria seems to be the only side effect of any concern I can find from using a silver solution. Are there any other known health effects that you are aware of? I found this online and have skimmed it really quickly, and it would seem to confirmed my thoughts, that there are no real dangers from it’s use that are known yet (this is based on data from accidents in industrial and commercial setting though, not the direct use of silver solutions as far as I know).

    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146-c2.pdf

  9. john cokos
    August 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Clinical Trials in Africa ? You couldn’t even guarantee the most basic of safeguards, let alone setup an environment to construct the
    stringent tests needed to pull this off. Where is the infrastructure in place to do this? You would need duplicate the CDC in an area that barely has the basic for day to day survival. Outside of shilling for sale’s of silver infused Kool Aid. It’s not going to happen, so the argument is moot.

  10. August 12, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Just Out – The Corbet Report Episode 293 – The Ebola Effect
    http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-293-the-ebola-effect/

    • Ryan Gilmore
      August 13, 2014 at 6:26 am

      Corbett’s episode on Ebola was excellent.

      One of the simplest points to grasp that he brought up is that the more quickly a virus kills it’s host (genetically engineered or not) the less it will spread, because viruses rely on a host to survive. If this is a fact dramatic stories of people bleeding out and dying quickly combined with predictions of a dramatic worldwide pandemic is a contradiction, and should be assumed to be propaganda.

      • Craig Bickford
        August 14, 2014 at 3:15 pm

        I agree with what Corbett said, and that stands to reason about a virus burning itself out because of it’s rapid evolution into a sever infection, but I thought that symptomatic stage where it is infectious , or more specifically that time period where it is infectious is what really determines how fast and or far and wide it will spread. An example being if a infectious stage of a really lethal virus is 1m week in one virus, and another of equal lethality or severity (it’s ultimate rate of mortality) is twice that time, that pathogen would have much more time to infect new hosts and carry on the genetic survival. Now how that concept applies to the actual time that are corresponding to the infectious phase of this strain of Ebola, I don’t know for certain. This seem pretty common sense to me, maybe it is flawed thinking on my part, but would love some feed back either way.

      • el
        October 18, 2014 at 4:12 am

        instant death comes from poison ingestion-
        ebola 21 day incubation.

        and how fast are these poor africans pushing daisys?

  11. John Wagner
    August 13, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Monomorphic bacteria and viruses do not cause disease as erroneous germ theory – and the controllers who control us through fear – would have us believe. Poisons however, do block metabolism and trigger pleiomorphic growth in order to digest tissues so the cycle of life continues. But the bugs get the blame even though they are ubiquitous, harmless and operate to alert the immune system of local changes in the tissue. This has been demonstrated by many scientists such as BeChamp, Rife, Naessens et al., who are predictably sidelined by the powers that be who find it useful to keep humanity in a perpetual state of fear of some mysterious organism that is out to get us. Don’t fall for it or controlled opposition “leaders” like you know who. All you need to worry about is avoiding being poisoned by your self-anointed rulers, who will blame the normal organisms for digesting your rotting carcass. Medi-cine, middle scene, Medici family….you get the picture.

    • August 13, 2014 at 10:55 pm

      Thanks, John. Do you have a link?

      • Lya Kotys
        August 14, 2014 at 9:40 am

        This is not John, however I would like to add to the conversation and post a link. I would like to elaborate on the work of Bechamp whom John mentions in his above post.

        Our contemporary modern medicine is largely based on the ‘germ theory’ of Loius Pasteur, (i.e. that somehow we are defenseless, sitting targets for germs that can attack us indiscriminately and cause us to become sick). Few people are aware of the theories on the causes of disease by Antoine Bechamp, who was a contemporary of Pasteur, which are the opposite of Pasteur’s! Bechamp postulated that disease can only be happen in a body that is toxic and nutrient deficient. Unfortunately Pasteur’s theories won out because his theories on disease were more profitable. Pasteur’s theories enabled the launching of the highly profitable pharmaceutical industry and their patented drugs to fight and kill germs. This post explains more:

        http://scientifichealthjournal.blogspot.com/2012/03/louis-pasteur-vs-antoine-bechamp.html

        I have listened to this podcast from start to finish and it is a BLATENT appeal to fear using the Hegelian dialectic (problem, reaction, solution), to promote a solution based on deceptive science! The problem is Ebola, the reaction is fear and the only solution happens to be Dr. Rima’s own product she is selling. I cannot believe Dr. Rima was allowed to get away with this on the Gnostic Media! I believe Jan and Joe have allowed themselves to be taken in by her because they are still polarized by the profitable ‘germ theory’ which has been promoted on all of us for years through modern medicine and all the usual channels. If they were to examine the real cause of disease, they would see that Dr. Rima is promoting the same malarkey promoted by modern medicine but with a more seemingly more natural solution than a vaccine.

        Common sense will tell you that every so often the powers that be manufacture some new virus, spread the fear about it in the mainstream media to promote a new vaccine which mainstream medicine frightens the uninformed into taking. The virus then turns out to be mild! The CDC even reported that ‘the H1N1 virus mostly caused mild disease’.

        http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB125197774116682973

        If one were to look more deeply into the situation in Africa, it is very possible that the people who are mostly affected by this virus are probably living in unsanitary conditions and are malnourished. The rampant spread of the Ebola disease in the West is highly unlikely because our sanitary and nutritional conditions here are much better!

        Ebola – Another Round For The Propaganda Matrix. Don’t Be Fooled Yet Again

        http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/08/ebola-another-round-for-the-propaganda-matrix-3007000.html

        This is only my first installment post. I have yet to post the research to discredit nano silver because I need more time to get all the research together on the toxicity of nano silver. Nano particles are toxic in all forms, including silver and the research is highly controversial at best!

        • August 14, 2014 at 10:34 am

          Thanks. The idea of this episode is to get people digging and investigating and looking for viable solutions – and sharing them. This is exactly what we want.

  12. John Wagner
    August 14, 2014 at 10:45 am

    This book has an excellent chapter covering the errors of germ theory; if anyone is interested in acquiring a pdf of this chapter, send me an email: jwag13@gmail.com

    http://thugsdrugsandthewaronbugs.com/

    • Ryan Gilmore
      August 15, 2014 at 1:12 am

      A very easy to read summary. I’ve been aware of Béchamp for years and this was the main reason I was immediately skeptical of Dr. Rima’s prediction of a pandemic in Western countries. In order for a disease to spread to a new geographical area that geographical area has to be already sick. Many towns in Central Africa have contaminated water, malnutrition, overcrowding, bad sanitation, an overuse of antibiotics, and banned pesticide use — very few towns in the Western World are now like this, and the “Contagion”/“Andromeda Strain”/“12 Monkeys”/“Outbreak” scenario which imagines perfectly healthy people in mainstream America getting sick is a fear porn fantasy.

      Joe is right that the wild card here might be a genetically engineered virus that might behave unlike anything we’ve experienced before. We have a fair amount of evidence that scientists with US Army money have been playing around with viruses for years, partly to come up with defences against bioweapons but just as likely to try and create bioweapons. But I suspect that all their efforts are folly, because they are working under the assumption that Pasteur’s germ theory is correct and that living cells passively accept any virus they come in contact with. It they’ve tried they’ve failed, probably because their disease theory is wrong; microbiological life is much more adaptive than that.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udaxsKNPKL8#t=10m25s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI0v_h-Y0UY#t=1m56s

      Our enemies HAVE been successful in turning vaccines into weapons of mass destruction, though, by simply using placing a ‘germ curse’ on the mass consciousness of the population. Some African governments are now begging the US for ZMapp, the experimental Ebola serum funded by the US Army. Injecting poisons are much more reliable way of killing people than releasing viruses into the air. Viral outbreaks are often useful as psychological warfare that allow the introduction of the real weapons.

      Joe has brought up a very good counterpoint to my thinking — the smallpox epidemics that ravaged Native Americans for 300 years after coming in contact with Europeans. Does this not prove the the germ theory? Is it really true that Indians lacked European immunity?

      I can’t be sure of what happened to the Native populations as detailed records are not available, but my best guess would be the Indian practice of taking human war trophies (from smallpox infected Europeans) was not helpful and then the Indian cure of sitting in sweat lodges together (to get rid of evil spirits) was also the opposite of what you should do with infection. The Natives were fasting, putting their bodies under stress, sweating, and not quarantining. So if my guesses are correct what separated Whites and Indians was more culture than the antibodies in their blood.

      Where we do have detailed records the picture is clear. When nutrition, sanitation, and overcrowding improve diseases go away on their own and stop spreading.

      http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/#11

  13. Craig Bickford
    August 14, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    I see quite a few interesting and thought provoking links and article to read through, and some positions that are indeed worth exploring. I am wondering though, it there any evidence that nano-particles are dangerous? This seems to be a sticking point (amongst many) with this nanosilver solution.

  14. Seth M
    August 15, 2014 at 8:54 am

    I started hearing about this Nanosilver back in 2009, from this:http://blog.listentoyourgut.com/nanoparticle-minerals-heal-tooth-decay-and-osteoporosis/
    There’s a really great podcast linked through that blog with the guy who’s company makes the nanosilver. If you listen to both this podcast and the one from the gut blog I’m linking to you will notice a lot of overlap between what Rima and Haszinger are saying. Haszinger talks about way more than was covered in the ebola focused discussion and the minerals etc he is having manufactured are pretty much the most valuable thing on earth… The fact that Rima isn’t selling these minerals and is selling ground-up-rock-based-supplements through her storefront makes me suspicious, but not overly so – next to no one has the maturity it takes to admit that “my body can’t actually transform ground rocks and metal shavings into living minerals, maybe I need to start taking minerals that are already in a living form to improve myself…”

    I’ve gone through a few gallons of nanosilver, so I know it’s safe, not sure how much it actually helped me because I was really close to dying when I started all that stuff, but I’m better and that product might have had something to do with it.

    If I were exposed to ebola, though, I’d use the the Ultra1/2/3 protocol from WHM a few times instead of the nanosilver. If I have nanosilver around I’d use it, too, but only for good luck. The calcium followed by copper/zinc/silver is WAY stronger than just nanosilver… They used to have nano-copper, too. Maybe they still do.
    The silver is more for bacteria, the Ultra1/2/3 is more for viruses, and the ultra has silver nano-crystals that are almost the same as nano-silver. Whenever I start to feel a cold coming on I use the Ultra, and I’m left with the dizzy “I feel weird” effect of virus overload without any actual cold symptoms.

    What’s all this junk about it being toxic to inhale? The source of these products makes a nano-silver hydrogen peroxide for use in a nebulizer… It’s fucking awesome!

    Anyway

    The merchant from the podcast isn’t marking these up more than 30% over wholesale, so it’s a fairly good deal from her. If they were still fifty bucks a pint I’d call bullshit and throw the link to the manufacturer’s website, but at $25 a pint from her it’s a pretty good deal. It just seems weird to leave out the product lines from the manufacturer that actually support a person’s everyday health, just to sell the ones that fix a person when they get sick, it’s fishy.

    • Pamela Seley
      August 21, 2014 at 2:41 am

      Jan, I’m a big fan of your work. However, I’m going to be a Debbie Downer here. I am skeptical of L-ascorbic acid, as I cannot find any information on how it is made, other than “derived from plant sources.” What does that mean exactly, I wonder? Are there additives besides plant sources? What is used in the process of manufacturing L-ascorbic acid? Now that the news is out for those in the know: D-ascorbic acid, bad; L-ascorbic acid, good, I’m curious as to whether the new and improved vitamin C is an unwillingness of our global consciousness to let go of the vitamin C supplement myth. It’s important to note, although Linus Pauling lived until 94 (a good age), he did die of cancer. If he was taking his own prescription of daily dose of vitamin C then he shouldn’t have had cancer. Right?

      In my opinion, the public has been sold a bill of goods on the efficacy of vitamin C, ascorbic acid, which is also used as a preservative in juices and other foods. The ascorbic acid I grew up with (in the 70’s and onward) in vitamin C supplements was made from cornstarch. I can only imagine how many people across the globe believe vitamin C and ascorbic acid is good for them. A vitamin supplement made from corn that has been genetically modified for decades? Not good. Also worth mentioning is that 80% of ascorbic acid is manufactured in China, which country has a propensity to add toxic substances to food products, such as melamine, in baby formula, and then sell it to their own people. Not much integrity there.

      As of 1988, I know the CIA/Zionists believed smallpox could be used as a bio-weapon, which is entirely false. See article below.

      Interesting history on smallpox vaccine: http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/smallpoxbringingdeadbacktolife21nov02.shtml

      The entire “ebola pandemic” is to scare people there’s a monster in the closet the size of a germ that’s going to get us, so we’ll all go running to get our ebola vaccinations at the nearest Walgreen’s this September.

      To prevent scurvy (which evidence sounds like ebola mimics), we can eat citrus fruit everyday, as sailors did. I truly think this media frenzy over ebola is much ado about nothing; well, something, but it has to do with mass media’s and big pharma’s pocket books.

      Thanks, Jan, for the opportunity to comment. I enjoyed reading all the intelligent comments, and of course, your podcasts, which are the best.

  15. August 15, 2014 at 10:01 am

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201408150450.html
    Nigeria: Ebola – Eight Patients in Lagos to Benefit From Experimental Treatment

    Minister of Health, Prof. Onyebuchi Chukwu has announced that eight Nigerians affected with the deadly Ebola disease will benefit from an experimental treatment in Lagos.

    Prof. Onyebuchi Chukwu, who made the announcement, today at a world press conference in Abuja, said a Nigerian scientist has offered Nigeria the drug, Nano Sylver, for testing on those infected with the virus.

    His words: “A Nigerian scientist has offered Nigeria an experimental drug, hopefully today, that will reach the treatment centre.”

    Although the health minister declined mentioning the name of the scientist, he assured that the health ministry will ensure that the drug is applied in line with international best practice.

    He said the ministry of health will coordinate all other claims of treatment drugs for Ebola as he confirmed that there is no case of Ebola in Enugu state contrary to media reports.

    He said: “A nurse who treated the late Patrick Sawyer disobeyed the Incident Management Committee and traveled to Enugu to visit her husband and was later identified with the symptom. But no one has been infected with the virus in the state apart from Lagos.

    “As at today morning, “We have only six contacts in Enugu who are under surveillance.”

  16. August 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    The number of well-thought out and thoughtful comments, filled with research and ideas, is awesome. Thanks everyone.

  17. SethSethSeth
    August 16, 2014 at 9:22 am

    oh snap:
    “NanoSilver is for sale on the foundation’s website alongside hemp oil, ear candles, chocolate and “mental clarity packs.”

    Recently, the foundation’s medical director, Dr. Rima E. Laibow, posted an “open letter to heads of Ebola-impacted states,” dated July 29, claiming that NanoSilver cured Ebola. She also claimed to have addressed 47 African health ministers at a 2007 conference and to be in touch with “West African governments and their advisers.”

    Dr. Laibow could not be reached for comment. On Friday afternoon, after The New York Times emailed her a series of questions, two of her websites briefly became unavailable, then reappeared with headlines saying they were “under attack” and directing readers to other sites selling a different product, Silver Solution.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/science/agencies-issue-warnings-over-bogus-ebola-cures.html

    • August 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm

      Did you read the comments about Nigeria? She so far was correct.

      • SethSethSeth
        August 17, 2014 at 11:29 am

        She’s probably doing something right if the NYT is willing to write a scare piece on it.

  18. kars van kouwen
    August 17, 2014 at 4:22 am

    Hi Jan,

    I’m missing the grammar why at this particular time Ebola would be used against ‘the west’ (US-EU).

    I can think of Ebola being used to motivate African leaders (of the resource rich African countries) to side with the US government (not China). It felt right right in line with Obama’s visit. Things are not as they are presented. Remember the financial advisers the US has send in response of the ~200 kidnapped children? Why send financial advisers to locate a bunch of kidnapped people? It tells us the kidnapped people have nothing to do with the US economic goals.

    Adam Curry and John C Dvorak of the No Agenda show made this analysis, and I found it more plausible then culling the West and Africa by Ebola in one go.

    For a global culling Ebola is much to quick, uncontrollable, and not economically ideal compared to reprogramming the population and sterilizing them, and have them apply to them for permission to reproduce; I mean grow a GMO child for the elites’ economy.

    I hope this helps to not panic with the latest news of pandemics, I say think of the economics first hearing such news.

    Love, Courage and Water,

    Kars

  19. john cokos
    August 17, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Back in the day when I was a Lyndon Larouche ” I’m the only one that can they world” flag wavier, he did just the same routine as Dr. Rima E. Laibow, is doing now. He would approach 2nd and 3rd tier governments and agencies with data and research largely garnered (plagiarized ?) from various other sources, and present them as his own. He did this with Reagan and the Star Wars Initiative and Pebble Bed Nuclear Reactor scenario and try to sell it off as private research consultation.
    This is largely nothing new, the Larouche is still doing this, and Laibow just picked up on the grift.
    I just heard on the new that that FDA has come out with a warning on quack Ebola remedies. They are on the radar with this.
    Like Bart would say” that’s my story and I’m sticking to it” :)

  20. john cokos
    August 17, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Back in the day when I was a Lyndon Larouche ” I’m the only one that can they save the world” flag wavier, he did just the same routine as Dr. Rima E. Laibow, is doing now. He would approach 2nd and 3rd tier governments and agencies with data and research largely garnered (plagiarized ?) from various other sources, and present them as his own. He did this with Reagan and the Star Wars Initiative and Pebble Bed Nuclear Reactor scenario and try to sell it off as private research consultation.
    This is largely nothing new, the Larouche is still doing this, and Laibow just picked up on the grift.
    I just heard on the new that that FDA has come out with a warning on quack Ebola remedies. They are on the radar with this.
    Like Bart would say” that’s my story and I’m sticking to it” :)

  21. Craig Bickford
    August 18, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Well I’m seeing a whole lot of no answers to some of my questions (and others) directed at Dr. Laibow after a certain point and or date in time, so I guess I’m done on this page. I did receive an update in my email however from the NSF mailing list I am now a part of, hopefully I’m not restricted in any way from passing this on, I don’t think I ever agreed to not pass on these mails, and in fact was encouraged to pass on the nanosilver protocol on all social media mediums so I’m kind of assuming this mailing list info is the same. What follows is the body of the mailing list email followed by one of the links I added separately:

    FLASH!
    Nigeria “DISCOVERS” Nano Silver “Cures” Ebola!

    Nigeria announced that one of their doctors has “discovered” that Nano Silver “cures” Ebola.

    Well, well, well. He apparently “discovered” it after our materials were personally delivered by an emissary of ours both to the President of Nigeria and to the Minister of Health.

    Be that as it may, it means that the Ebola epidemic is all but over. And it also means that –

    1. We were correct, despite the horse whipping we have taken over this on the internet

    2. Nano Silver 10 PPM IS the universal antibiotic that I have been saying that it is since NOTHING else was able to inactivate this weaponized organism except exactly what I said would do it

    3. We, the little people, have once again proven that we are able to impact world events. This depopulation effort failed because of us, my friends, despite the best efforts of WHO, the US Government, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and all their wicked friends (which may very well, according to information we have, sadly, include Doctors Without Borders as well).

    We, you and I, just stopped a world pandemic.

    Because you will have Nano Silver 10 PPM on your shelf and because you know how to use it for prevention and upon exposure to just about anything, you and your family will have the best protection in the world against infectious weapons and diseases as commonplace as the common cold.

    And NO!!!!! it is not Colloidal Silver. And NO!!!!! you cannot make it at home. Sorry about that.

    Within a couple of days we will have a brand new video on the differences between the various types of silver available to you.

    In the meantime, go to http://www.DrRimaKnows.com and enter your email info to get our protocol in the Thank You letter you’ll get in return

    (check your spam folder if you don’t see it) and go to the “How Nano Silver Works” page for more information.

    We did it, my friends! They took the credit, but WE did it!

    By the way, your donations will help us keep on doing good works like this: http://www.DrRimaTruthReports.com/action/donate.

    Yours in health and freedom,

    Dr. Rima

    PS – Read more here: http://drrimatruthreports.com/?p=20465

    http://drrimatruthreports.com/nigerian-discovers-ebola-cure-not/

  22. Craig Bickford
    August 18, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I just posted something that did not appear to post here at all, so this is a test post.

  23. Craig Bickford
    August 18, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Lets try this again…It seems Dr. Laibow isn’t answering questions here any more so I wanted to pass this on in hopes that maybe this will help answer some of the questions she isn’t getting back to anyone on. This is an email I received through her NSF mailing list.

    FLASH!
    Nigeria “DISCOVERS” Nano Silver “Cures” Ebola!

    Nigeria announced that one of their doctors has “discovered” that Nano Silver “cures” Ebola.

    Well, well, well. He apparently “discovered” it after our materials were personally delivered by an emissary of ours both to the President of Nigeria and to the Minister of Health.

    Be that as it may, it means that the Ebola epidemic is all but over. And it also means that –

    1. We were correct, despite the horse whipping we have taken over this on the internet

    2. Nano Silver 10 PPM IS the universal antibiotic that I have been saying that it is since NOTHING else was able to inactivate this weaponized organism except exactly what I said would do it

    3. We, the little people, have once again proven that we are able to impact world events. This depopulation effort failed because of us, my friends, despite the best efforts of WHO, the US Government, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and all their wicked friends (which may very well, according to information we have, sadly, include Doctors Without Borders as well).

    We, you and I, just stopped a world pandemic.

    Because you will have Nano Silver 10 PPM on your shelf and because you know how to use it for prevention and upon exposure to just about anything, you and your family will have the best protection in the world against infectious weapons and diseases as commonplace as the common cold.

    And NO!!!!! it is not Colloidal Silver. And NO!!!!! you cannot make it at home. Sorry about that.

    Within a couple of days we will have a brand new video on the differences between the various types of silver available to you.

    In the meantime, go to http://www.DrRimaKnows.com and enter your email info to get our protocol in the Thank You letter you’ll get in return

    (check your spam folder if you don’t see it) and go to the “How Nano Silver Works” page for more information.

    We did it, my friends! They took the credit, but WE did it!

    By the way, your donations will help us keep on doing good works like this: http://www.DrRimaTruthReports.com/action/donate.

    Yours in health and freedom,

    Dr. Rima

    PS – Read more here: http://drrimatruthreports.com/?p=20465

    http://drrimatruthreports.com/nigerian-discovers-ebola-cure-not/

  24. Craig Bickford
    August 18, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    So for some reason when I post long segments of text that is copied and pasted into this comments section it is bugging out and not posting the comment at all, or I cannot actually see the comments post (which would be a little more odd I think). I’ll just try posting the link.

    http://drrimatruthreports.com/nigerian-discovers-ebola-cure-not/

    • el
      October 18, 2014 at 4:21 am

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      jan ur sites being bugged, heads up.
      contact jimstonefreelance for remedies.

  25. Gintas Kamaitis
    August 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Dr. Rima, I will post this again in the hope that you will notice this and address my comment. You keep referring to 10 ppm nano silver. I come from a background both the aquatic sciences and environmental engineering and your reference to 10 ppm nano silver is not consistent with the paper you have cited. The only meaning that I am aware for ‘ppm’ is as an abbreviation for “parts per a million”, which can otherwise be commonly stated as ‘milligrams per liter’, which is a unit of of concentration. This reference to particular concentration hung me up because the use of a particular concentration of nano silver did not make any logical sense within the context you were using it. I wondered why would you be specifying a specific strength or dose without considering the volume taken or size of the individual. I downloaded the presentation you referenced and the paper does indeed refer to particle size and not to concentration. I believe that instead of referring to 10 ppm you should be stating 10µ (micron) nano silver which refers to the size of the silver particle and not to its concentration.

    In my estimation this is a particularly significant error or misunderstanding and needs to be clarified ASAP.

  26. Hollie Day
    August 20, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    I am interested to know if anyone has any thoughts on Essential oils, I use and sell doterra essential oils and after hearing Rima discuss nano silver being the only option she knows for curing or preventing Ebola, I am wanting to find any knowledge of people having experience using these oils as an option for treatment and/or prevention. I know that the oils like oregano and clove, when pure, can inhibit the replication of viruses and bacteria. I have seen them rid someone of MRSA in 48 hrs.

    I personally would use and trust these potent oils for protection from any viral or bacterial disease, they are the purest and most potent oils I know of and my main source of medicine.

    Wouldn’t this be a better option than nano silver, because they are from plants?

    • Lya Kotys
      August 23, 2014 at 2:18 am

      Yes, I believe they do genetically modify disease organisms in labs to make them more virulent and they do become more virulent, however that still does not change the way the human immune system works. If a person is living in a sanitary environment with hygienic waste disposal and access to clean water and their immune system is basically strong and not deficient in minerals and Vitamin C, that person’s immune system will fight of the pathogen.

      I believe I have posted enough evidence in previous posts to support what I am saying. Also, in Dr. Daniel’s podcast, which I posted in the comments of Remedy Roundtable #2, she supplies evidence that basically by the government’s own admission, they do not believe that the ebola virus by itself to be a real threat in the US. On their own websites, they are not recommending doctors to perform any tests to determine if someone is even infected with the specific ebola virus or not!

      The real threat is the attack on our immune system and on our genetics which is the slow kill… by taking out the nutrients from our soil, promoting a low-fat, high-carb diet, genetically modified food, irradiated food, denatured processed foods filled with toxic chemicals, vaccines, pharmaceuticals and now nano particles etc.

    • Russell Bybee
      August 27, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      While I am still very skeptical about the claim made regarding ebola and silver, I am also looking forward to seeing what an actual real life application of this reveals.

      Did Rima ever send you the original study that the powerpoint was based off of? I would really like to look at the details of that if possible but I haven’t been able to find anything other than the slide show Dr. Rima presented.

  27. v. thomas
    September 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-conspiracy-theories-and-for-profit-quackery-let’s-keep-global-health-science-based.120127/

    I am just going to leave this here.
    Rima pimps for CCHR, (citizens Commission for Human Rights) a notorious $cientology front group.

    So WTF?

    $cn. Narconon, yet another front group, one of many , has been overdosing people on niacin for years. How could I
    possibly trust Rima, knowing her “connections”?

  28. Kathleen
    October 2, 2014 at 7:55 am

    I just did a home science experiment with Rima Laibow’s Nano Silver. I am not a scientist I am just a housewife wanting to prepare to protect my family in the event of an outbreak.

    I mixed an envelope of gelatin with 1 cup of warm water, 1 Tablespoon of Corn Starch and 1 Tablespoon of sugar together. I got 3 clean beakers from my darkroom and poured 2 Tablespoons of this melted mixture in each one. In #1 I left the solution plain. In #2 I added 1 tablespoon of the nanosilver and in #3 I added 1 tablespoon of homemade colloidal silver. I left them on a shelf for a week.

    #1 is filled with black stuff growing in it. (plain)
    #2 is clear and pure looking. (nano-silver)
    #3 has some black stuff growing in it but not as much as in #1. (homemade colloidal silver)

    I made my silver in 3 hours. Today I am mixing a batch for 6 hours and retesting because her stuff is so damned expensive but apparently works.

    If anyone is interested I can follow up here with my results. I bought a silver generator and the 99.999 silver rods for the price of one case of nano-silver from Dr. Laibow. I hope it works but if not I have 30 days to return the generator and buy another case from Dr. Laibow.

  29. October 8, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/bombshell-nih-ebola-treatment-announced-you-will-not-believe-what-the-potential-cure-is

    The National Institute of Health has just announced a potential treatment for the Ebola virus, and you WILL NOT believe what it is! Directly from the NIH website.:
    Ebola virus disease: Potential use of melatonin as a treatment.

    (by Department of Cellular and Structural Biology, The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, TX, USA)

    Abstract

    The purpose of this report is to emphasize the potential utility for the use of melatonin in the treatment of individuals who are infected with the Ebola virus. The pathological changes associated with an Ebola infection include, most notably, endothelial disruption, dissiminated intravascular coagulation and multiple organ hemorrhage. Melatonin has been shown to target these alterations. Numerous similarities between Ebola virus infection and septic shock have recognized for more than a decade. Moreover, melatonin has been successfully employed for the treatment of sepsis in many experimental and clinical studies. Based on these factors, since the number of treatments currently available is limited and the useable products are not abundant, the use of melatonin for the treatment of Ebola virus infection is encouraged. Additionally, melatonin has a high safety profile, is readily-available and can be orally-self administered; thus, the use of melatonin is compatible with the large scale of this serious outbreak.

  30. October 13, 2014 at 11:22 am
  31. el
    October 18, 2014 at 4:46 am

    she can sue for slander and liebel. thats the next move.
    then maybe the truth of nano silver will come out.

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